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Re: Opera, Brave, Vivaldi to ignore Chrome's anti-ad-blocker changes

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Post by Vinnl »

jraph wrote: post #10

I feel like things would be easier if Firefox could be embeded in another browser just like chromium can. Let Google cripple their browser for themselves, and Mozilla provide the good and strong de facto browser engine.

They're at least working on making that as easy as possible on Android: https://github.com/mozilla-mobile/android-components/

As I understand it, that should also make it relatively straightforward to switch between Servo and Gecko, as a developer. But I'm not an Android dev, so take that with a grain of salt.

Re: Opera, Brave, Vivaldi to ignore Chrome's anti-ad-blocker changes

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Post by izacus »

jraph wrote: post #10

I feel like things would be easier if Firefox could be embeded in another browser just like chromium can. Let Google cripple their browser for themselves, and Mozilla provide the good and strong de facto browser engine.

I haven't seen this talked about here but... last I checked Mozilla was in majority funded by Google royalties. What's their plan of aligning their income with essentially directly attacking their funding source?

Re: Opera, Brave, Vivaldi to ignore Chrome's anti-ad-blocker changes

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Post by chmod775 »

close04 wrote: post #19
tzury wrote: post #17

This one[1] and the likes will prevent vast majority of ads, regardless of which browser you have chosen to use this morning. [1] https://raw.githubusercontent.com/StevenBlack/hosts/master/h...

Except mobile browsers, arguably the most critical place where you need blocking to get any kind of reasonably decent experience (load times, viewable area, battery life, etc.). Extensions like uBlock target people who don't want to bother with editing hosts files and keeping them updated.

I use such a host file on my android. There's even apps to manage them.

Needs a rooted device though.

That has the added benefit of removing ads in all apps, because when they can't be loaded, generally not even the empty widget shows.

Re: Opera, Brave, Vivaldi to ignore Chrome's anti-ad-blocker changes

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Post by ralphstodomingo »

jeena wrote: post #11
ralphstodomingo wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I won't worry about that. I'm guessing this effectively creates a fork of Chromium that does not have the anti-ad blocker changes in question, which Opera/Brave/Edge will use instead of the main one. On that note, are people switching over to Firefox already?

This might be sustainable for a couple of months but Google will keep on developing chromium with the assumption that those APIs aren't available and maintaining and back porting patches will not be sustainable in the long run. And we've seen Opera and Edge shying away from too much work with their own webengines, why would it be different this time?

I'm not sure how the architecture of these browser projects work, but is it too difficult to stub out the non-existent APIs in their forks? I'm hoping it's different this time because this is a topic people care for... but I can only hope.

Re: Opera, Brave, Vivaldi to ignore Chrome's anti-ad-blocker changes

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Post by ignoramous »

close04 wrote: post #19
tzury wrote: post #17

This one[1] and the likes will prevent vast majority of ads, regardless of which browser you have chosen to use this morning. [1] https://raw.githubusercontent.com/StevenBlack/hosts/master/h...

Except mobile browsers, arguably the most critical place where you need blocking to get any kind of reasonably decent experience (load times, viewable area, battery life, etc.). Extensions like uBlock target people who don't want to bother with editing hosts files and keeping them updated.

I think that's a reason why DNS based ad-blocking is as effective a solution as any, though easily worked around against (I see that Amazon's android app is able to show ads despite DNS blacklist).

Re: Opera, Brave, Vivaldi to ignore Chrome's anti-ad-blocker changes

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Post by unicornporn »

mattlondon wrote: post #8
ralphstodomingo wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I won't worry about that. I'm guessing this effectively creates a fork of Chromium that does not have the anti-ad blocker changes in question, which Opera/Brave/Edge will use instead of the main one. On that note, are people switching over to Firefox already?

I've been using Firefox for 6+months now as my primary browser. Once used to the slightly different UI I've not noticed any difference in day to day browsing. Only complaint - and this is my fault for enabling it and not a Firefox issue - is that if I used a container for Google, reCAPTCHAs are a huge huge huge pain in the arse now and take many attempts to pass. This is (I guess) because the Google cookie cannot tra…

Try https://www.startpage.com/

Works as proxy for Google Search. No captchas, very customizable. Could never live with the Bing based crap results of DuckDuckGo.

Re: Opera, Brave, Vivaldi to ignore Chrome's anti-ad-blocker changes

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Post by feanaro »

sametmax wrote: post #15
yoz-y wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is currently stopping its adoption? Iirc there were several browsers based on Gecko engine. Is it drm?

Firefox is probably still a legacy mix of XUL, cpp and migrating to rust. I'm pretty sure chrome is easier to adapt.

XUL was replaced quite some time ago.

Re: Opera, Brave, Vivaldi to ignore Chrome's anti-ad-blocker changes

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Post by matthewcanty »

unicornporn wrote: post #20
ralphstodomingo wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I won't worry about that. I'm guessing this effectively creates a fork of Chromium that does not have the anti-ad blocker changes in question, which Opera/Brave/Edge will use instead of the main one. On that note, are people switching over to Firefox already?

> On that note, are people switching over to Firefox already? Not sure why power users ever left Firefox as their default browser when surveillance tech came along. I sure didn't. Firefox was always the more competent and customizable browser. Happy to see users returning. Among other things, the current "Welcome Chromium/Chrome users!" megathread in the Firefox subreddit[1] seems to indicate there's something going…

I flicked between multiple browsers at work since the Chrome news dropped. Having used Chrome for many years.

Firefox always had and still has an issue which can cause up to 2x page load times when used on Mac with scaled mode. Fascinating bug report but ultimately impossible to cope with at work!

I’ve actually landed up using Safari (I rarely use dev tools) and pleasantly surprised by it.

Re: Opera, Brave, Vivaldi to ignore Chrome's anti-ad-blocker changes

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Post by feanaro »

unicornporn wrote: post #20
ralphstodomingo wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I won't worry about that. I'm guessing this effectively creates a fork of Chromium that does not have the anti-ad blocker changes in question, which Opera/Brave/Edge will use instead of the main one. On that note, are people switching over to Firefox already?

> On that note, are people switching over to Firefox already? Not sure why power users ever left Firefox as their default browser when surveillance tech came along. I sure didn't. Firefox was always the more competent and customizable browser. Happy to see users returning. Among other things, the current "Welcome Chromium/Chrome users!" megathread in the Firefox subreddit[1] seems to indicate there's something going…

I never understood the appeal of Chrome over Firefox in the beginning.

Re: Opera, Brave, Vivaldi to ignore Chrome's anti-ad-blocker changes

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Post by hamilyon2 »

close04 wrote: post #19
tzury wrote: post #17

This one[1] and the likes will prevent vast majority of ads, regardless of which browser you have chosen to use this morning. [1] https://raw.githubusercontent.com/StevenBlack/hosts/master/h...

Except mobile browsers, arguably the most critical place where you need blocking to get any kind of reasonably decent experience (load times, viewable area, battery life, etc.). Extensions like uBlock target people who don't want to bother with editing hosts files and keeping them updated.

Mobile chrome did not support ad blocking extensions last time I checked
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