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Opera, Brave, Vivaldi to ignore Chrome's anti-ad-blocker changes

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Re: Opera, Brave, Vivaldi to ignore Chrome's anti-ad-blocker changes

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Post by AsyncAwait »

fouc wrote: post #71
rndgermandude wrote: post #42

The problem at this point isn't whether chrome will disable it... It can be added back, probably fairly easily as google intents to keep it around for "enterprise" anyway, so it's probably just gonna end up changing/removing one if-statement. If not, then the code already exists and has to be merged back in. The problem is distribution of the actual extensions, as Vivaldi kinda pointed out, as the other browsers most…

We need a third party extensions store.

We need companies to stop promoting the Blink monoculture and helping Google pull stuns like this as a result.

These companies helping Mozilla getting Servo into shape would be a really good idea, which is why they won't do it.

Re: Opera, Brave, Vivaldi to ignore Chrome's anti-ad-blocker changes

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Post by dgoldstein0 »

pgeorgi wrote: post #111
tempguy9999 wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suppose an extension is easier but as browsers can be told to go through proxies, an extension isn't necessary for adblocking. A 2nd process on the machine, a change to the browser (set localhost and a port) and you're done. Someone did something similar and called it Dan's Guardian IIRC, but that's all it was. That's how I run mine, a local (and very ancient) version of squid blocks everything. It won't be as flex…

That doesn't work as well for https connections where you can only block on domain name, for which any DNS/VPN-based blocking works just as well.

Usually proxying can work for https connections - by letting the proxy terminate ssl. But then you really need to trust the proxy's ssl implementation, and it probably also breaks standard security ui like viewing the cert.

Definitely it has its problems.

Re: Opera, Brave, Vivaldi to ignore Chrome's anti-ad-blocker changes

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Post by agumonkey »

I, for the first time ever, uninstalled chrome/chromium from my computers. It pains me because I liked it overall, and firefox isn't happy with my 2009 laptops.

Maybe chrome devs mistake will be the air gap that creates a new leader from another group.

Re: Opera, Brave, Vivaldi to ignore Chrome's anti-ad-blocker changes

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Post by AsyncAwait »

guelo wrote: post #97
superkuh wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem you described actually happened with Firefox and Firefox forks not too long ago. Mozilla kicked out all traditional Firefox add-ons from their repository to "replace" them (note: they didn't actually replace the vast majority) with chrome style webextensions. Firefox forks were forced to implement and run their own add-on hosting system and API, and navigate the complex legal waters of re-hosting the add-…

Ironically Firefox killed their extension API to be compatible with Chrome's extensions. Now they probably don't want to be compatible with the new Chrome API.

> Ironically Firefox killed their extension API to be compatible with Chrome's extensions.

This is misleading. They deprecated the old API primarily to be able to do multi-process and get rid of XUL.

Re: Opera, Brave, Vivaldi to ignore Chrome's anti-ad-blocker changes

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Post by Swizec »

rndgermandude wrote: post #42

The problem at this point isn't whether chrome will disable it... It can be added back, probably fairly easily as google intents to keep it around for "enterprise" anyway, so it's probably just gonna end up changing/removing one if-statement. If not, then the code already exists and has to be merged back in. The problem is distribution of the actual extensions, as Vivaldi kinda pointed out, as the other browsers most…

Isn’t one of Brave’s main selling points that it itself is an ad blocker and doesn’t require a third party extension? Something about removing ads from pages before they even make http requests.

Re: Opera, Brave, Vivaldi to ignore Chrome's anti-ad-blocker changes

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Post by user17843 »

gorhill wrote: post #119
user17843 wrote: post #117

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You are probably right, although a low number of rules will also affect them as their acceptable ads program is based on the fact that they block everything else. I still wonder if they can continue to offer that program with 30,000 rules only. My idea that they target ABP came from their arbitrary 30,000 rules limit. As I have written elsewhere I consider ABP and AdBlock as "infiltrated" by Google, so they definitel…

The Safari version supports "Acceptable Ads". I counted ~17,000 rules[1] which includes exception rules. Also, keep in mind cosmetic exception filters are not implemented through the declarativeNetRequest API. (Edited for accuracy regarding rule count) * * * [1] https://gitlab.com/eyeo/adblockplus/adblockplussafarimacos/t...

Wow, ok that means 30,000 definitely won't be an existential threat for them.

Re: Opera, Brave, Vivaldi to ignore Chrome's anti-ad-blocker changes

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Post by on_and_off »

Yizahi wrote: post #108
_bxg1 wrote: post #91

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Why wouldn't the other vendors band together and make a single, non-Google chromium extensions repository? If anyone from Microsoft is reading, this would be an excellent opportunity to give Edge a leg up on Chrome.

As an example - app stores for android. Each manufacturer makes it's own and for years they are unable to cooperate.

It is funny, on the paper I should love this idea but as an app developer the last thing I want is more code coming through the OEMs.

Sadly Google is essential in keeping their shitty hacks at bay.

Re: Opera, Brave, Vivaldi to ignore Chrome's anti-ad-blocker changes

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Post by muro »

amelius wrote: post #69
corrigible wrote: post #65

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"This site best viewed with..."

I was thinking more of: "Extra ads for Chrome users: ... Want less ads? Use ..." Bonus for putting the extra ads in a pop-over div.

That makes no sense whatsoever for a business owner.

Re: Opera, Brave, Vivaldi to ignore Chrome's anti-ad-blocker changes

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Post by pszndr »

amelius wrote: post #50
jraph wrote: post #10

I feel like things would be easier if Firefox could be embeded in another browser just like chromium can. Let Google cripple their browser for themselves, and Mozilla provide the good and strong de facto browser engine.

> Let Google cripple their browser for themselves Web developers can also help here by making the UX slightly worse for Chrome users, e.g. by showing more ads.

We want less dark patterns in software, not more

Re: Opera, Brave, Vivaldi to ignore Chrome's anti-ad-blocker changes

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Post by EugeneOZ »

Tried Opera on Mac OS - half of toggles on the Settings page is not rendered - "Pref not found for element SETTINGS-TOGGLE-BUTTON in SETTINGS-APPEARANCE-PAG". It was so epic trash - removed instantly. They obviously don't test it on Mac OS.

Tried Vivaldi - render sites with errors (some images missing). 0 plugins installed. Not acceptable, removed.

Brave - I really hate person who run this project and how he is trying to sell his product by "if you hate google as much as me, use Brave", while using Chromium.

So, for now I don't see any Chromium-based alternative.

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