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“Apps intended for kids may not include third-party advertising or analytics”

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Post by cyrksoft »

CaptainMarvel wrote: post #187
cyrksoft wrote: post #176

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What's the problem about Apple doing that? It's their platform. You can go use whatever else you like, nobody forces you to use their system.

What’s the problem about jsnell posting that? It’s their post. You can go read whatever else you like, nobody forces you to read their comment. If you don’t think jsnell’s prediction/complaint/insight was worthy, your post seems hypocritical to me unless I’m missing something.

There is no problem about jsnell posting that. I just want to know what all the complaints about Apple (Amazon, Google, etc) is about. Why would it be wrong for Apple to do everything jsnell predicts?

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Post by tyfon »

I would be much more impressed if it said “Apps intended for kids may not include advertising or analytics”

As it stands now it seems rather empty and in relation to recent news something that could fuel the anti-trust talks.

Edit: considering that the law of my country states specifically that you can not target kids with ads, I wonder how apple will handle it since they now obviously have a method of tagging apps targeted at kids.

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Post by yalok »

buremba wrote: post #181
yalok wrote: post #174

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yes, on iOS (Unity App) all of Amplitude SDK is in source code.

Yes, maybe they can't place an ad on your app but they do track all your user event data which means that they can target them somewhere else. All the iOS unique identifier, location, and user attribution data are collected directly into their servers.

yes, they collect and store that data, but what if they don't use it anywhere else other than for my app analytics?

It's a very vaguely defined rule which may create tons of additional work for developers, yet may not improve the privacy in some cases.

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Post by flukus »

nicholashead wrote: post #74
move-on-by wrote: post #34

So far the only kids apps I've used with my little one is 'Sesame Street' and 'PBS Kids Video'. He loves Elmo, and its very handy in the pediatrician's waiting room to have a distraction. I also run a PiHole, and to my displeasure, I've found both these apps use Google Analytics. PBS Kids Video goes a few steps further and uses Google AdWords as well as ScorecardResearch analytics. These publicly funded apps are siph…

Also, PBS Kids Video straight up wouldn't play videos at all unless I whitelisted certain analytics domains.

ABC (the Australian equivalent of BBC) too. The web player sends data to gigya, newrelic and googlegadgetmanager. The news site adds (just the front page) adds jwpcdn, chartbeat and loggly. The live stream are from scribly or someone and often the content of them is embedded twitter, so our national government funded news service isn't even hosting much of their own content and it's unavailable to many that have sites like twitter blocked at world. The don't even have the profit motive excuse that commercial sites have.

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Post by Guest0918231 »

meowface wrote: post #120
TheCapn wrote: post #71

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Do you morally disagree with advertising/tracking monetization as a whole or just those particularly geared towards vulnerable populations? (children in your instance) I have my professional job developing software solutions for clients on a contractual base, but for a period after I graduated university I dabbled in mobile development and made the decision during that time that I'd never bloat my crappy apps with ad…

I'm not in the app market, but I run a few user-content-oriented websites which get millions of monthly hits. They're funded only by community donations. I decided to never add any ads to any of them. I'm not sure I morally disagree with advertising or tracking. (In my case, my websites are aimed at adults and there are no concerns about children seeing inappropriate content.) It's not about the morality or even the…

I run a user-content website, and hate advertising too. But, the website costs $15,000 a year in expenses to run, and community donations bring in $3,000. Advertising generates $50,000.

I stay with safe ad categories (no drugs, alcohol, gambling, adult content, etc), and use standard display sizes. No audio ads, background ads, popups, etc. I'm sure the site could generate twice the revenue with background advertisements.

Anyway, I just wanted to give a slightly different perspective. Although I hate advertising as much as you, my site doesn't work with community donations. So, I use advertising to keep it alive, and try to draw a line somewhere I think is appropriate.

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Post by lotu »

frereubu wrote: post #109
lotu wrote: post #10

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Obviously, but where do you want to go with that? Are you suggesting that because kids can use any app on a phone that all tracking and ads should be banned?

With all due respect, this is the kind of self-evident truth that I find it weird people use as "yeah, is that what you REALLY want?" Yes, that is what I want. I think society would be much better off without this kind of rubbish, and stuff the financial backers of this amoral race to the optimised bottom.

I realize you are not the original poster but it sounds like your view would be the same even if we lived in a world without children. In this case it’s not really about helping children it is about advancing your desired outcome and that annoys me a bit.

The bigger issue is do you really think things will be better this way. Services like Google Search, Maps, newspapers would all become pay-walled. I honestly would personally like this outcome, as I have enough income to pay an extra $20-30 / month for these features. However for those in poverty 15-20% in the US and much more world wide this would be a major hardship. I really don’t think we want all of these currently ad supported things to be pay only in future, which is the inevitable outcome of banning advertising.

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Post by matt-attack »

lawfulcactus wrote: post #118
ksec wrote: post #86

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>Luckily I realized quickly that kids play on the devices of parents and so the ads they might see are at times super inappropriate! That was exactly what happen to my kids yesterday. I don't mind ads, but when they are inappropriate for the 5 years old I get really pissed off. And I wish Apple Arcade could come sooner so they don't get distracted with Ads. It is the same reason I don't really allow them to watch You…

Well, there's Youtube Kids: https://www.youtube.com/kids/ And on iOS, you can use Guided Access to keep them in the app. Not sure about Android.

Yes Guided Access is great. I default it to a 20min timeout. So if I let my 8 year old play Minecraft on it, and he runs off to some corner of the house to binge, I don't have to worry about hunting him down. He'll get a nice warning around 3min out, and then the phone will essentially brick itself. It's great knowing that he will absolutely be coming back to me with the phone in 20min.

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Post by CamperBob2 »

mc32 wrote: post #183
soulofmischief wrote: post #177

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I get the feeling, but you must realize that preventing your children from using YouTube is like being the parent who prevented their children from watching television. You're teaching your children about censorship. It's easier, sure, but maybe it's worth the effort to have a mature conversation with them instead of wholesale preventing access to their generation's largest media platform.

How do you have a mature conversation with children who are unable to process (due to age) certain advanced concepts like marketing, advertising, monetization, irrelevancy, deception, exploitation, etc? I don’t think they’re talking adolescents but rather toddlers and young children.

Simple. Tell your child, "Don't worry. Nothing you see on a screen is real."

That will immunize them from everything from zombies to pornography to Fox News.

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Post by darkpuma »

robryan wrote: post #156
braythwayt wrote: post #137

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Why can't things be like the Good Old Days when Raganwald was young. We watched Saturday Morning Cartoons, not played with apps. Hmmm... Now that I think about it, Saturday Morning Cartoons were filled with advertising for sugar and violent toys, some of which was clearly labeled as advertising.

Guess the experience varies country to country but at least they generally reserved selling for the ad breaks. Unlike say a paid unboxing video.

By the 80s to 90s, a lot of popular kids shows were glorified ads for toy lines. For instance, 'Transformers' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformers.
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