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I dislike tracking as much as anyone, but can you really fault them for using Google analytics? It's not like PBS choose to use them "to profit off the viewers".
I have a stupid question, why don't they use something like Matomo instead?
1. Six months from now, Apple will announce a new ad network, which will be whitelisted for Kids apps.
2. Twelve months from now, they'll ban all non-Apple ad networks in kids apps. If they want to be subtle about it, I'm sure they'll find some inappropriate ad to use as a pretext.
3. 18 months from now, they'll open their ad network to all apps.
4. 24 months from now, they'll ban non-Apple ad networks in all apps, and swim in money as they've found another way to squeeze more money out of their captive userbase.
And every step of the way, HN will cheer as Apple continues to brutally exploit their ownership of the platform.
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Personally it depends on the product. I find advertising specific prescription drugs abhorrent to anyone. However, I think it’s completely reasonable to say talk to your doctor about ED or whatever. If there is only one treatment they seem similar, but when several options exist people should not be pushing for a specific drug based on an ad campaign.
Most sane countries forbid medicine/drug ads by law.
Can someone please clarify the “analytics” part? All kinds of analytics services, or services that use your app analytics for their own purposes, or use it for the sake of ads targeting/retargeting, or have PII risks? I’m not sure I see the harm to kids if an app uses some ads-free analytics provider like Amplitude just for its own 1st party needs... or am I missing something?
Do you have the source code to Amplitude? If not, you don’t know what the binary blob you’re including in your code does.
Totally agreed for advertising... but analytics are essential to improving the quality and usability of apps including for kids, and they're a real cost to roll your own. Using third-party analytics is like using a third-party JPEG or MP3 decoder: it almost never makes sense spending 100's or 1,000's of hours writing your own.
So I don't get it. What's the harm for kids in third-party analytics? Third-party analytics are just a service, they're not necessarily ever correlated with anything else. But even if they are, the only argument I can imagine is not helping further build up advertising profiles... but if kids aren't seeing the ads anyways then again, what's the harm?
Here's how I expect this to go: 1. Six months from now, Apple will announce a new ad network, which will be whitelisted for Kids apps. 2. Twelve months from now, they'll ban all non-Apple ad networks in kids apps. If they want to be subtle about it, I'm sure they'll find some inappropriate ad to use as a pretext. 3. 18 months from now, they'll open their ad network to all apps. 4. 24 months from now, they'll ban non-…
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On YouTube it’s not just the presence of ads that’s the problem, it’s the type of ads. My kids were watching an obviously kids-themed kids-friendly YouTube video and were shown an ad for Walking Dead, with graphic scary zombies. My 4yo was covering her eyes in fear. Like WTF Google.
Yeah I actually stopped allowing YouTube and YouTube Kids. YouTube has inappropriate ads, and YouTube Kids content is basically half ads in disguise (just people advertising toys and how they work).
You're teaching your children about censorship.
It's easier, sure, but maybe it's worth the effort to have a mature conversation with them instead of wholesale preventing access to their generation's largest media platform.
Here's how I expect this to go: 1. Six months from now, Apple will announce a new ad network, which will be whitelisted for Kids apps. 2. Twelve months from now, they'll ban all non-Apple ad networks in kids apps. If they want to be subtle about it, I'm sure they'll find some inappropriate ad to use as a pretext. 3. 18 months from now, they'll open their ad network to all apps. 4. 24 months from now, they'll ban non-…
So yeah, I will cheer. You can't fix your shit? Ok then, Apple will do this, this time on their terms.
> Apps in the Kids Category may not include third-party advertising or analytics. Totally agreed for advertising... but analytics are essential to improving the quality and usability of apps including for kids, and they're a real cost to roll your own. Using third-party analytics is like using a third-party JPEG or MP3 decoder: it almost never makes sense spending 100's or 1,000's of hours writing your own. So I don'…