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Do you have the source code to Amplitude? If not, you don’t know what the binary blob you’re including in your code does.

yes, on iOS (Unity App) all of Amplitude SDK is in source code.

Yes, maybe they can't place an ad on your app but they do track all your user event data which means that they can target them somewhere else. All the iOS unique identifier, location, and user attribution data are collected directly into their servers.

Re: “Apps intended for kids may not include third-party advertising or analytics”

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Most sane countries forbid medicine/drug ads by law.

Norway also ban: Alcohol, smoke, gaming, all ads to children, all gun related, not allowed to count points in games before children are 13, credit card loans, all health related than can’t show scientific benefit..

> not allowed to count points in games before children are 12

So it's illegal in Norway for my 12-year-old cousin to beat my highscore in Pacman?

Re: “Apps intended for kids may not include third-party advertising or analytics”

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Yeah I actually stopped allowing YouTube and YouTube Kids. YouTube has inappropriate ads, and YouTube Kids content is basically half ads in disguise (just people advertising toys and how they work).

I get the feeling, but you must realize that preventing your children from using YouTube is like being the parent who prevented their children from watching television. You're teaching your children about censorship. It's easier, sure, but maybe it's worth the effort to have a mature conversation with them instead of wholesale preventing access to their generation's largest media platform.

How do you have a mature conversation with children who are unable to process (due to age) certain advanced concepts like marketing, advertising, monetization, irrelevancy, deception, exploitation, etc?

I don’t think they’re talking adolescents but rather toddlers and young children.

Re: “Apps intended for kids may not include third-party advertising or analytics”

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> Apps in the Kids Category may not include third-party advertising or analytics. Totally agreed for advertising... but analytics are essential to improving the quality and usability of apps including for kids, and they're a real cost to roll your own. Using third-party analytics is like using a third-party JPEG or MP3 decoder: it almost never makes sense spending 100's or 1,000's of hours writing your own. So I don'…

Because it’s wrong?

What is wrong about it?

"Because it's wrong" isn't really a response without something backing it up. That's what I'm asking -- what's the harm, where's the wrong?

The harm in advertising is obvious. A harm from third-party analytics is not.

Re: “Apps intended for kids may not include third-party advertising or analytics”

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I worked for a very large company that's considered a leader in apps and games for kids. I don't think this is as good as it seems first glance. COPPA compliance isn't new. There are some third party analytics tools that are COPPA compliant, and any responsible company is already taking COPPA seriously. What's new here is saying you can't farm responsibility for your data collection to COPPA-compliant third party SDK…

Like I said above, what’s wrong with the simple idea of getting people to pay for apps and avoid any ads?

I don't think there is, and there's a lot of apps with that model. However, that's not the topic at hand.

Re: “Apps intended for kids may not include third-party advertising or analytics”

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YouTube would be well advised to follow this model for videos intended for kids and anything on YouTube Kids outside of iOS.

On YouTube it’s not just the presence of ads that’s the problem, it’s the type of ads. My kids were watching an obviously kids-themed kids-friendly YouTube video and were shown an ad for Walking Dead, with graphic scary zombies. My 4yo was covering her eyes in fear. Like WTF Google.

Also don't forget the whole "elsagate" debacle where lots of kids videos were highly inappropriate and sexual content disguised with super hero costumes.

Re: “Apps intended for kids may not include third-party advertising or analytics”

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Here's how I expect this to go: 1. Six months from now, Apple will announce a new ad network, which will be whitelisted for Kids apps. 2. Twelve months from now, they'll ban all non-Apple ad networks in kids apps. If they want to be subtle about it, I'm sure they'll find some inappropriate ad to use as a pretext. 3. 18 months from now, they'll open their ad network to all apps. 4. 24 months from now, they'll ban non-…

What's the problem about Apple doing that? It's their platform. You can go use whatever else you like, nobody forces you to use their system.

What’s the problem about jsnell posting that? It’s their post. You can go read whatever else you like, nobody forces you to read their comment.

If you don’t think jsnell’s prediction/complaint/insight was worthy, your post seems hypocritical to me unless I’m missing something.

Re: “Apps intended for kids may not include third-party advertising or analytics”

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post #172

Here's how I expect this to go: 1. Six months from now, Apple will announce a new ad network, which will be whitelisted for Kids apps. 2. Twelve months from now, they'll ban all non-Apple ad networks in kids apps. If they want to be subtle about it, I'm sure they'll find some inappropriate ad to use as a pretext. 3. 18 months from now, they'll open their ad network to all apps. 4. 24 months from now, they'll ban non-…

That’s a good way to give the antitrust investigators even more evidence of wrongdoing. And I’m sure the ad companies will be more than happy to flood the DOJ and FTC with complaints.

Re: “Apps intended for kids may not include third-party advertising or analytics”

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I develop for both iOS and Android and since last year, I have completely stopped using ads in all my newer apps. I have switched to a freemium model. On my recent HACK app for HN client for example, I let you use all features and unlock features on a session basis. So lets say you switch on dark mode, I let you use it for the session until the app is either killed by iOS or restarted from the app switcher. Once restarted, you need to re-set the dark theme and I just show you a popup asking you to support development with a one time only small IAP. This freemium model has been working good.

On another of my apps, OLEDify I have used a tipping/donation model where I give all features for free complete and hope that you will tip me whatever money you like. This hasn't really gotten me much despite thousands of downloads and DAU but I just don't want to support the advertisement companies based on all the recent manipulative tactics they have been playing.

Re: “Apps intended for kids may not include third-party advertising or analytics”

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post #174

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yes, on iOS (Unity App) all of Amplitude SDK is in source code.

Yes, maybe they can't place an ad on your app but they do track all your user event data which means that they can target them somewhere else. All the iOS unique identifier, location, and user attribution data are collected directly into their servers.

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