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Trump's Next Trade War Target: Chinese Students at Elite Schools

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Re: Trump's Next Trade War Target: Chinese Students at Elite Schools

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Post by Kurtz79 »

inflatableDodo wrote: post #165
Kurtz79 wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you enter the country you get a stamp with your entry date. Doesn't this get checked when you leave, at passport control? I would think at the very least it would raise a huge red flag the next time you try to enter US... I also doubt that any serious employer would hire someone without checking his/her paperwork, outside maybe of seasonal/server jobs.

>When you enter the country you get a stamp with your entry date. >Doesn't this get checked when you leave, at passport control? Imagine that there is this huge underground market dedicated to solving this problem for you attached mysteriously to the entire US bar industry. edit - this is honestly the only thing that makes sense. I haven't ever done so, but brits working their US holidays and massively over staying v…

I'm not saying that something like this does not exists (and I know for certain that some people overstay their visas), but it just seems silly to me that people coming from countries with similar quality of life and opportunities as the US would risk getting caught doing something illegal, in a country that is notoriously strict on immigration matters.

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Post by rahimnathwani »

Kurtz79 wrote: post #193
culturestate wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The U.S. doesn't have traditional outbound passport control - checks are made electronically when you book a plane ticket and the airlines are given a go/no-go to issue a boarding pass.

I must have entered/exited US about a dozen times in the last few years and I always had my passport checked by someone in uniform just before Security, when leaving. Are these people not from Immigration/Border control?

Nope, they're from the TSA. Their job is to keep the transportation system safe and secure.

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Post by ovi256 »

tjeannin wrote: post #160
nneonneo wrote: post #9

Students from China (and many other countries) are required to renew their visas annually, a process which is already quite nerve-wracking for many. PhDs in particular can take anywhere from 4 to 8 years to complete, meaning 4-8 chances for your studies to be interrupted with the only option to return home while the visa renewal stalls. This article explicitly calls out the fact that renewals seem to have been gettin…

"Europe is home to 1.64 million researchers, while the US number approaches 1.47 million. ... Europe produced 33.4% of the world's research outputs, while the US accounted for 23.4%." The US is not really leading the way. It's a bit strange to "consider" Europe as a potential good place for research, it's already way ahead the US.

That's hardly far ahead, barely 11% more than the US. The opposite is true on means, budget and research infrastructure, where the US leads, both in aggregate and per capita, and by much more than 11%.

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Post by raxxorrax »

Juliate wrote: post #188
cltsang wrote: post #177

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How did you get that impression? From what the article says America is only getting more conscious about foreigners from China, not foreigners in general. They are quite different. This is hardly a surprising move considering the recent realization that the Chinese government has been pushing propaganda against American values like freedom, democracy, and basic human rights, on American soil. One notable example is c…

> not foreigners in general. By requesting their social network identity, right. That's being conscious. > propaganda against American values like freedom, democracy, and basic human rights, on American soil. Well... someone skipped reading the news for the past 3 years. The best propaganda against these values comes from your very current president and administration.

> Well... someone skipped reading the news for the past 3 years

Which didn't do a good job of informing the public.

The argument is dishonest, because policies related to surveillance were implemented by all governments of the last decade. On the contrary, this lead to many, many people to say "fuck it", let us just take this madness to the next level and see what happens.

Had the current president not won, we would certainly have increased efforts in the war on terror. The US even created a complete new agency for checking travelers. That has been the strategy for both parties for quite some time, at least a decade now.

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Post by freeflight »

beebmam wrote: post #90
jaggednad wrote: post #65

From a purely self-interested perspective, this is the dumbest thing the US could possibly do. There are talented people who want to leave China and come study and work in the US. We are basically stealing China’s best minds. Now we’re telling them they can’t come and shipping them back? I don’t think we should have conflict with China, but, if you are looking for conflict with China, sending brilliant minds back to…

Are you seriously saying that the children of the wealthiest families in China are "China's best minds"? Please, show me some evidence for this egregious claim. There is no such thing as modern Chinese meritocracy.

It's not like the situation in the US is that different [0], but apparently these days people have very short memories.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_college_admissions_briber...

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Post by Jommi »

zwaps wrote: post #186
ulfw wrote: post #98

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsinghua_University Tsinghua in Beijing is one of the world's foremost universities. A ton of Chinese leaders and also two Nobel laureates come from there.

Not that it isn't a good university, I mean I hear decent things, but two Nobel laureates is really not that much for a top university. Many local European universities have more.

How is it not a good university? Is it solely measured on Nobel Laureates?

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Post by freeflight »

inflatableDodo wrote: post #118
jtanderson wrote: post #78

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Almost makes me wonder if it's deliberate, as in some quid pro quo agreed upon, implied, or otherwise, between the US and Chinese presidents. Though what the US gets out of it is unclear, I wouldn't be shocked.

Trump wants people to stop buying services from AT&T, as of yesterday; > "I believe that if people stoped [sic] using or subscribing to @ATT, they would be forced to make big changes at @CNN, which is dying in the ratings anyway. It is so unfair with such bad, Fake News! Why wouldn’t they act. When the World watches @CNN, it gets a false picture of USA. Sad!" — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) June 3, 2019 https://…

> What the US gets out of that is also unclear.

It gets the media landscape in-line with the administration: "Don't you dare to report badly about me or I will make you pay for it.", at least it attempts to.

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Post by speuleralert »

C1sc0cat wrote: post #196
orhmeh09 wrote: post #187

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How did universities ever manage to operate whilst charging much lower/no tuition back when there was not a group like this?

They only catered for a much smaller group basically the elites and a few lucky Grammar school kids.

Here is a related and comprehensive article that dives into the subject, for anyone interested: https://slatestarcodex.com/2019/04/15/increasingly-competiti...

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Post by malaya_zemlya »

Kurtz79 wrote: post #193
culturestate wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The U.S. doesn't have traditional outbound passport control - checks are made electronically when you book a plane ticket and the airlines are given a go/no-go to issue a boarding pass.

I must have entered/exited US about a dozen times in the last few years and I always had my passport checked by someone in uniform just before Security, when leaving. Are these people not from Immigration/Border control?

This is travel document checking by a TSA agent. They don't technically require you to show a passport, but most other acceptable forms of ID are very US-specific.

https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-screening/identification

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Post by Hydraulix989 »

cma wrote: post #67
warmcat wrote: post #28

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Imagine getting funding in USA for research and sending the research and results back to China so they can patent it before. Who benefits then?

As opposed to a US spinoff company getting it and keeping all oversea profits offshore in Ireland etc. to avoid taxation?

That "loophole" was closed in 2017 by the Trump Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (GILTI/transition tax).
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