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Trump's Next Trade War Target: Chinese Students at Elite Schools

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Re: Trump's Next Trade War Target: Chinese Students at Elite Schools

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Post by Kurtz79 »

inflatableDodo wrote: post #159
Tsubasachan wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its fascinating how America is slowly turning into a country that simply doesn't want foreigners. Sadly I like New York so I have to diligently go through the mountain of paperwork. How many people from the EU overstay or cause problems for the police?!

Brits overstay and work in the US without the correct paperwork all the time. They don't seem to get noticed by the police for some reason.

When you enter the country you get a stamp with your entry date.

Doesn't this get checked when you leave, at passport control?

I would think at the very least it would raise a huge red flag the next time you try to enter US...

I also doubt that any serious employer would hire someone without checking his/her paperwork, outside maybe of seasonal/server jobs.

Re: Trump's Next Trade War Target: Chinese Students at Elite Schools

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Post by theklub »

tjeannin wrote: post #160
nneonneo wrote: post #9

Students from China (and many other countries) are required to renew their visas annually, a process which is already quite nerve-wracking for many. PhDs in particular can take anywhere from 4 to 8 years to complete, meaning 4-8 chances for your studies to be interrupted with the only option to return home while the visa renewal stalls. This article explicitly calls out the fact that renewals seem to have been gettin…

"Europe is home to 1.64 million researchers, while the US number approaches 1.47 million. ... Europe produced 33.4% of the world's research outputs, while the US accounted for 23.4%." The US is not really leading the way. It's a bit strange to "consider" Europe as a potential good place for research, it's already way ahead the US.

Europe's population is double what the US is...

Re: Trump's Next Trade War Target: Chinese Students at Elite Schools

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Post by levosmetalo »

protastus wrote: post #126
fragmede wrote: post #68

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Yes - but not entirely by choice. Many a PhD student has returned home after earning their degree, because of the US's visa policies, which make it hard to stay after completing a degree. Why would they stay somewhere that doesn't want them?

Current visa rules make it very easy to stay. STEM graduate students on an F-1 visa get a whopping 36 months of employment authorization in the US. Look up OPT extension. That's 3 years they can apply to get a H-1B. In fact, getting a M.S. from a mediocre U.S. school is a popular method young people use to immigrate.

H1-B is slavery. No smart young person that has any choice in his life should be subjected to it.

Re: Trump's Next Trade War Target: Chinese Students at Elite Schools

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Post by ngcc_hk »

The original idea is to let the idea flow. Given the greatness of freedom, Democrat and human rights they would ... not in real life. Even down to have top scientists who do human baby experiment.

May be if one can go two ways at least both can learn the good and bad in both cultures. But no. Like one dudes trade it is free trade to the world but how many can research freely in china.

Good luck. Finally wake up. It is sad that the dream of good coin can drive out bad coin not working. Instead the coin just come, and still bad coin.

Still wonder why Soviet Union or Russia is not allowed by and large do that. But china can. It is a wonder of the 20th century - only found out in the 21st.

Re: Trump's Next Trade War Target: Chinese Students at Elite Schools

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Post by inflatableDodo »

Kurtz79 wrote: post #161
inflatableDodo wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Brits overstay and work in the US without the correct paperwork all the time. They don't seem to get noticed by the police for some reason.

When you enter the country you get a stamp with your entry date. Doesn't this get checked when you leave, at passport control? I would think at the very least it would raise a huge red flag the next time you try to enter US... I also doubt that any serious employer would hire someone without checking his/her paperwork, outside maybe of seasonal/server jobs.

>When you enter the country you get a stamp with your entry date.

>Doesn't this get checked when you leave, at passport control?

Imagine that there is this huge underground market dedicated to solving this problem for you attached mysteriously to the entire US bar industry.

edit - this is honestly the only thing that makes sense. I haven't ever done so, but brits working their US holidays and massively over staying visas by years is not uncommon and I can only think of one example of someone who ended up in actual shit.

Re: Trump's Next Trade War Target: Chinese Students at Elite Schools

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Post by onetimemanytime »

inflatableDodo wrote: post #159
Tsubasachan wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its fascinating how America is slowly turning into a country that simply doesn't want foreigners. Sadly I like New York so I have to diligently go through the mountain of paperwork. How many people from the EU overstay or cause problems for the police?!

Brits overstay and work in the US without the correct paperwork all the time. They don't seem to get noticed by the police for some reason.

China is causing problems for USA. Right or wrong, USA thinks that they are essentially educating their future battle enemy.

Re: Trump's Next Trade War Target: Chinese Students at Elite Schools

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Post by scottlocklin »

tntn wrote: post #47
ekianjo wrote: post #38

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> . If they further hamstring themselves by excluding Chinese students, the decline of American science will accelerate dramatically it is a strange assumption to make since by all counts the US is already the country in the world with the most diverse population. It is not as if science is only the work of students or even in particular foreign students...

60-80% of graduate students in STEM fields in the U.S. are international students. It seems like having 60-80% fewer graduates would accelerate the decline of American science.

The schools might have to let natives in; the horror. We might have to return to the dark ages of the 1950s when the STEM graduates were majority Americans and we actually were making technological progress in something other than lithography.

"Science" is addicted to cheap foreign labor, which has ruined the market for natives.

Re: Trump's Next Trade War Target: Chinese Students at Elite Schools

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Post by culturestate »

Kurtz79 wrote: post #161
inflatableDodo wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Brits overstay and work in the US without the correct paperwork all the time. They don't seem to get noticed by the police for some reason.

When you enter the country you get a stamp with your entry date. Doesn't this get checked when you leave, at passport control? I would think at the very least it would raise a huge red flag the next time you try to enter US... I also doubt that any serious employer would hire someone without checking his/her paperwork, outside maybe of seasonal/server jobs.

The U.S. doesn't have traditional outbound passport control - checks are made electronically when you book a plane ticket and the airlines are given a go/no-go to issue a boarding pass.

Re: Trump's Next Trade War Target: Chinese Students at Elite Schools

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Post by scottlocklin »

nneonneo wrote: post #155
briandear wrote: post #82

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Was American science declining in the 1960s when almost no Chinese students were in American universities? Could there also be extremely smart people in Africa that might now find a place in American universities? Are there Americans that might now find a place in American Universities? I am not saying anything about visa policies, but suggesting that limiting Chinese students will hurt American science is a pretty n…

> there is no doubt that such approvals require allegiance to the CCP and and some willingness to help the CCP when asked. No, they really don’t. Where’s your source for this? You make it sound like we’re just admitting 350,000 spies into the States each year. However, it is true that if you make these folks feel thoroughly unwelcome, they will want to just go home and help out - and that’s exactly what you’ll do by…

I dunno about OP, but there are definitely industrial spy issues, and individual Chinese students do have issues with the government in traveling to the US. I had a Chinese student who I would have loved to keep in the US, but according to him, his parents would suffer because they worked in the banking industry, and they'd fall under suspicion.

Re: Trump's Next Trade War Target: Chinese Students at Elite Schools

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Post by Hasknewbie »

bayesian_horse wrote: post #89

A well-known Youtuber called Serpentza recently made a video about how Chinese students don't assimilate into American culture and how it is made difficult for them to assimilate, partly due to overt action from the Chinese government. For one thing, Chinese culture is quite alien to western culture, and I don't mean that in a judgemental way, just that their spoken, written and body language is so much different tha…

> For one thing, Chinese culture is quite alien to western culture, and I don't mean that in a judgemental way, just that their spoken, written and body language is so much different that it is automatically harder for them.

I call BS on that one specific point with a counter-example: Taiwan (regardless of if it is/isn't part of China, it's a majority-Chinese-culture country).

I would agree though that students allowed to study at foreign universities are somewhat selected, in that the CCP forbids travels for 'tendentious' individuals. No doubt they would enjoy having "highly selected" ones, but they're just using basics metrics covering way too many candidates for that to be effective.

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