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Trump's Next Trade War Target: Chinese Students at Elite Schools

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Re: Trump's Next Trade War Target: Chinese Students at Elite Schools

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Post by hello_1234 »

macintux wrote: post #11
warmcat wrote: post #8

"In April, three researchers were also let go by the University of Texas’s M.D. Anderson Cancer Center in connection with an investigation into possible foreign attempts to take advantage of its federally funded research." This is the real reason why visas are getting denied. Why would you want to enjoy the fruits of living and working in America but benefit other countries (even if you once belonged there)?

I must admit to some confusion about why federally-funded cancer research results aren’t available to everyone.

It will only be available to everyone after it's patented and sold to a big pharma. All made possible by the great Bayh–Dole Act - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayh%E2%80%93Dole_Act

Re: Trump's Next Trade War Target: Chinese Students at Elite Schools

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Post by ajxs »

b_tterc_p wrote: post #3

It would be nice if we could add some human rights issues to Trump’s list of grievances. I feel like coverage of what’s going on would feel entirely different if part of it was saying “stop running concentration camps” Edit: curious why the downvotes

I'm definitely a critic of China's awful stance on human rights, but would Trump taking a stance against China's despotic government on humanitarian grounds seem the least bit credible when that seems to be the de-facto justification du jour for foreign regime change? Assad barrel bombs, Iran nuclear this that, Gaddafi something something... I've long since stopped giving the ( unilateral ) American government the benefit of doubt when they complain about other counties' treatment of their citizens. At least this time they're being remotely honest.

Re: Trump's Next Trade War Target: Chinese Students at Elite Schools

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Post by zaroth »

war1025 wrote: post #23
WillPostForFood wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Caring more about human rights abuses is to "act more like Hitler" Sheesh..

Perhaps I misread the comment, which is probably what other people did as well then. I believe based on your comment, the intended statement was "I wish Trump would make a bigger deal out of China's human rights abuses." Which does seem pretty reasonable. Given the general pattern of comments on the internet where everything about Trump is negative, I read it as "I wish Trump would have some human rights abuses added…

Buttercup’s comment is a sweet little Rorschach test.

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Post by educationdata »

majia wrote: post #20
zaroth wrote: post #12

In 2013, the number of Chinese students returning to China after graduating hit 90%. [1] It used to be more like 9 in 10 would remain in the US to work. If foreign graduate students are staying and working in the US, it’s probably a net benefit hosting them in US schools, even though it drives up demand and therefore tuition costs for US citizens. If 8 or 9 out of 10 are returning to China, better to keep the spot fo…

Most students returned to China because they are not allowed to work in the US. The chance of getting a work visa dropped significantly since 2010s. Foreign students aren’t getting American education for free; they pay much higher tuition. They are effectively subsiding the tuition cost of domestic students.

Not really. Most Chinese PhD students have full assistantship.

Most Chinese undergraduate students won't be able to get job in the US anyway.

Your second and first paragraphs are talking about different things.

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Post by paulgb »

zaroth wrote: post #12

In 2013, the number of Chinese students returning to China after graduating hit 90%. [1] It used to be more like 9 in 10 would remain in the US to work. If foreign graduate students are staying and working in the US, it’s probably a net benefit hosting them in US schools, even though it drives up demand and therefore tuition costs for US citizens. If 8 or 9 out of 10 are returning to China, better to keep the spot fo…

I find this line of thinking so odd, because nobody ever says “exporting American {cars/corn/computers} to China drives up demand and costs to US citizens.” The worst-case scenario here is that education is economically just equivalent to an export, but that’s still a pretty great scenario! Especially since it’s an export that doesn’t pollute, supports high-paying labor, perpetuates the global premium associated with a US education, and has the side effect that sometimes foreign students do stay and continue to contribute to the economy.

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Post by jtr_47 »

analog31 wrote: post #25

I was a grad student when the Tienanmen Square demonstrations happened. Chinese students in the US formed the backbone of a network that maintained communication with their compatriots in China. I personally think that welcoming international students and treating them with goodwill is good foreign policy.

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

RavlaAlvar wrote: post #22
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason more Chinese students returned was because the number of Chinese going to the USA to study exploded. It is really hard for those liberal arts fuerdai to find a job in the states after they graduate.

Chinese student and liberal art subject??

Chinese students from rich powerful families studying liberal arts rather than STEM majors.

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Post by ekianjo »

nneonneo wrote: post #9

Students from China (and many other countries) are required to renew their visas annually, a process which is already quite nerve-wracking for many. PhDs in particular can take anywhere from 4 to 8 years to complete, meaning 4-8 chances for your studies to be interrupted with the only option to return home while the visa renewal stalls. This article explicitly calls out the fact that renewals seem to have been gettin…

> . If they further hamstring themselves by excluding Chinese students, the decline of American science will accelerate dramatically

it is a strange assumption to make since by all counts the US is already the country in the world with the most diverse population. It is not as if science is only the work of students or even in particular foreign students...

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Post by [deleted] »

warmcat wrote: post #28
macintux wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I must admit to some confusion about why federally-funded cancer research results aren’t available to everyone.

Imagine getting funding in USA for research and sending the research and results back to China so they can patent it before. Who benefits then?

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Re: Trump's Next Trade War Target: Chinese Students at Elite Schools

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Post by wavefunction »

hurrdurr2 wrote: post #21
gojomo wrote: post #14

This tactic could sorta make sense – if narrowly directed at "princelings" who are children of top officials, rather than top students we'd love to have stay in the US. (I don't have much hope clumsy trade/immigration bureaucracies & grandstanding politicians can be that subtle, though.)

All this anti-China activity almost reminds me of the "yellow peril" at the turn of the last century...

I would agree except that it's one hundred years later and there are Uighur re-education camps and social credit scores and new islands in the South China Sea with missile platforms and statements about reconquering Taiwan and... well.
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