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Trump's Next Trade War Target: Chinese Students at Elite Schools

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"In April, three researchers were also let go by the University of Texas’s M.D. Anderson Cancer Center in connection with an investigation into possible foreign attempts to take advantage of its federally funded research." This is the real reason why visas are getting denied. Why would you want to enjoy the fruits of living and working in America but benefit other countries (even if you once belonged there)?

I must admit to some confusion about why federally-funded cancer research results aren’t available to everyone.

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In 2013, the number of Chinese students returning to China after graduating hit 90%. [1]

It used to be more like 9 in 10 would remain in the US to work.

If foreign graduate students are staying and working in the US, it’s probably a net benefit hosting them in US schools, even though it drives up demand and therefore tuition costs for US citizens.

If 8 or 9 out of 10 are returning to China, better to keep the spot for someone who will work in the US.

Now it’s probably government policy that’s the main driver for so many Chinese foreign exchange students to return to China (both US and China policies align in this sense), but it’s not like Trump is going to open up work visas for graduating Chinese students, so in that reality it makes sense to tighten the student visa issuance to account.

With 360,000 Chinese foreign exchange students, and I’m willing to bet that’s disproportionately private universities (5 million total enrollment) rather than public. I wonder what the elasticity of demand is for college these days, and how much of a tuition price drop that could entail?

Unfortunately my personal experience is there is very little integration on campus between foreign exchange and domestic populations, which precludes even the cultural benefit. Colleges claim they cultivate a rich/diverse environment but in reality the students largely exist within their own circle. It may be different at the graduate level, where ~25% of enrollment is foreign. I recall a NYT article last year about it, but I can’t find it presently.

[1] - https://qz.com/1342525/chinese-students-increasingly-return-...

Re: Trump's Next Trade War Target: Chinese Students at Elite Schools

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In 2013, the number of Chinese students returning to China after graduating hit 90%. [1] It used to be more like 9 in 10 would remain in the US to work. If foreign graduate students are staying and working in the US, it’s probably a net benefit hosting them in US schools, even though it drives up demand and therefore tuition costs for US citizens. If 8 or 9 out of 10 are returning to China, better to keep the spot fo…

Do we know the fraction who were given a long-term visa but returned anyway? Trying to disentangle the difficulty of graduates getting visas from graduates who are just coming here to go home afterwards.

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This tactic could sorta make sense – if narrowly directed at "princelings" who are children of top officials, rather than top students we'd love to have stay in the US. (I don't have much hope clumsy trade/immigration bureaucracies & grandstanding politicians can be that subtle, though.)

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It would be nice if we could add some human rights issues to Trump’s list of grievances. I feel like coverage of what’s going on would feel entirely different if part of it was saying “stop running concentration camps” Edit: curious why the downvotes

At least to me, your comment reads like you wish Trump would act more like Hitler so you could feel more justified in not liking him.

Edit: See reply below. I realize now that this was me misinterpreting the parent's words.

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In 2013, the number of Chinese students returning to China after graduating hit 90%. [1] It used to be more like 9 in 10 would remain in the US to work. If foreign graduate students are staying and working in the US, it’s probably a net benefit hosting them in US schools, even though it drives up demand and therefore tuition costs for US citizens. If 8 or 9 out of 10 are returning to China, better to keep the spot fo…

I think people has to recognise there are two class of student; children from bourgeois class that mainly come to US just for their Bachelor, most of them don’t stay in the US afterward; Postgraduate student from the newly formed middle class in China that, if given chance, mostly won’t return to China.

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In 2013, the number of Chinese students returning to China after graduating hit 90%. [1] It used to be more like 9 in 10 would remain in the US to work. If foreign graduate students are staying and working in the US, it’s probably a net benefit hosting them in US schools, even though it drives up demand and therefore tuition costs for US citizens. If 8 or 9 out of 10 are returning to China, better to keep the spot fo…

The reason more Chinese students returned was because the number of Chinese going to the USA to study exploded. It is really hard for those liberal arts fuerdai to find a job in the states after they graduate.

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It would be nice if we could add some human rights issues to Trump’s list of grievances. I feel like coverage of what’s going on would feel entirely different if part of it was saying “stop running concentration camps” Edit: curious why the downvotes

I'm going to venture a guess as perhaps there's some hypocrisy on the US being the moral authority on human rights... yes I realize that we don't currently run concentration camps, but we did not that long ago (see Japanese internment camps), or the more recent black sites where prisoners are tortured... or funding friendly dictators with death squads... etc.

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post #15

It would be nice if we could add some human rights issues to Trump’s list of grievances. I feel like coverage of what’s going on would feel entirely different if part of it was saying “stop running concentration camps” Edit: curious why the downvotes

At least to me, your comment reads like you wish Trump would act more like Hitler so you could feel more justified in not liking him. Edit: See reply below. I realize now that this was me misinterpreting the parent's words.

Caring more about human rights abuses is to "act more like Hitler" Sheesh..

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In 2013, the number of Chinese students returning to China after graduating hit 90%. [1] It used to be more like 9 in 10 would remain in the US to work. If foreign graduate students are staying and working in the US, it’s probably a net benefit hosting them in US schools, even though it drives up demand and therefore tuition costs for US citizens. If 8 or 9 out of 10 are returning to China, better to keep the spot fo…

Most students returned to China because they are not allowed to work in the US. The chance of getting a work visa dropped significantly since 2010s.

Foreign students aren’t getting American education for free; they pay much higher tuition. They are effectively subsiding the tuition cost of domestic students.

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