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All this anti-China activity almost reminds me of the "yellow peril" at the turn of the last century...
There's enough mutual affinity, interchange, & commerce that this current political/trade spat hasn't had much of a racial character, in its rhetoric or reasoning, as far as I've seen.
Trump's Next Trade War Target: Chinese Students at Elite Schools
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#52In 2013, the number of Chinese students returning to China after graduating hit 90%. [1] It used to be more like 9 in 10 would remain in the US to work. If foreign graduate students are staying and working in the US, it’s probably a net benefit hosting them in US schools, even though it drives up demand and therefore tuition costs for US citizens. If 8 or 9 out of 10 are returning to China, better to keep the spot fo…
Only 25%? If you look at science and engineering graduate programs, its probably closer to 90%. Or its certainly felt like that around every department I've seen.
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#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
I must admit to some confusion about why federally-funded cancer research results aren’t available to everyone.
Imagine getting funding in USA for research and sending the research and results back to China so they can patent it before. Who benefits then?
Then we all benefit, cancer victims most notably. Hence the public funding of basic research.
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#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
> . If they further hamstring themselves by excluding Chinese students, the decline of American science will accelerate dramatically it is a strange assumption to make since by all counts the US is already the country in the world with the most diverse population. It is not as if science is only the work of students or even in particular foreign students...
60-80% of graduate students in STEM fields in the U.S. are international students. It seems like having 60-80% fewer graduates would accelerate the decline of American science.
CS went from less than 50% to nearly 80% foreign graduate students over 10 years. Quite interesting!
https://www.insidehighered.com/quicktakes/2017/10/11/foreign...
Re: Trump's Next Trade War Target: Chinese Students at Elite Schools
#55In 2013, the number of Chinese students returning to China after graduating hit 90%. [1] It used to be more like 9 in 10 would remain in the US to work. If foreign graduate students are staying and working in the US, it’s probably a net benefit hosting them in US schools, even though it drives up demand and therefore tuition costs for US citizens. If 8 or 9 out of 10 are returning to China, better to keep the spot fo…
> It may be different at the graduate level, where ~25% of enrollment is foreign. Only 25%? If you look at science and engineering graduate programs, its probably closer to 90%. Or its certainly felt like that around every department I've seen.
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#56I was a grad student when the Tienanmen Square demonstrations happened. Chinese students in the US formed the backbone of a network that maintained communication with their compatriots in China. I personally think that welcoming international students and treating them with goodwill is good foreign policy.
It turns out, after a decade, most of those blood card scholars have no problem to work for the communist party government at all, as long as they can get paid.
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#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
All this anti-China activity almost reminds me of the "yellow peril" at the turn of the last century...
I would agree except that it's one hundred years later and there are Uighur re-education camps and social credit scores and new islands in the South China Sea with missile platforms and statements about reconquering Taiwan and... well.
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#58Students from China (and many other countries) are required to renew their visas annually, a process which is already quite nerve-wracking for many. PhDs in particular can take anywhere from 4 to 8 years to complete, meaning 4-8 chances for your studies to be interrupted with the only option to return home while the visa renewal stalls. This article explicitly calls out the fact that renewals seem to have been gettin…
Just going to leave this here [1]. That's at Peking University, top school in the country. Sure, if you're a foreigner, you'll probably be left alone, but your classmates are not allowed to be themselves, and that's part of your learning environment.
[1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/if-i-disap...
Re: Trump's Next Trade War Target: Chinese Students at Elite Schools
#59Students from China (and many other countries) are required to renew their visas annually, a process which is already quite nerve-wracking for many. PhDs in particular can take anywhere from 4 to 8 years to complete, meaning 4-8 chances for your studies to be interrupted with the only option to return home while the visa renewal stalls. This article explicitly calls out the fact that renewals seem to have been gettin…
There needs to be a balance. Cutting out every Chinese academic is absurd and xenophobic, but more scrutiny is needed.
This issue isn't black and white; a more nuanced approach is required. To pretend that there isn't some merit to some of these ideas is just as absurd as saying that every academic is a spy.
https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2019/04/29/fbi-director-...
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/china/education-or-espionage-ch...
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/3007903/chi...
Re: Trump's Next Trade War Target: Chinese Students at Elite Schools
#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
Imagine getting funding in USA for research and sending the research and results back to China so they can patent it before. Who benefits then?
If said research is developed and productized into something that works? Then we all benefit, cancer victims most notably. Hence the public funding of basic research.