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Trump's Next Trade War Target: Chinese Students at Elite Schools

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Re: Trump's Next Trade War Target: Chinese Students at Elite Schools

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

All this anti-China activity almost reminds me of the "yellow peril" at the turn of the last century...

There's enough mutual affinity, interchange, & commerce that this current political/trade spat hasn't had much of a racial character, in its rhetoric or reasoning, as far as I've seen.

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Re: Trump's Next Trade War Target: Chinese Students at Elite Schools

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In 2013, the number of Chinese students returning to China after graduating hit 90%. [1] It used to be more like 9 in 10 would remain in the US to work. If foreign graduate students are staying and working in the US, it’s probably a net benefit hosting them in US schools, even though it drives up demand and therefore tuition costs for US citizens. If 8 or 9 out of 10 are returning to China, better to keep the spot fo…

> It may be different at the graduate level, where ~25% of enrollment is foreign.

Only 25%? If you look at science and engineering graduate programs, its probably closer to 90%. Or its certainly felt like that around every department I've seen.

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#53
post #28

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I must admit to some confusion about why federally-funded cancer research results aren’t available to everyone.

Imagine getting funding in USA for research and sending the research and results back to China so they can patent it before. Who benefits then?

If said research is developed and productized into something that works?

Then we all benefit, cancer victims most notably. Hence the public funding of basic research.

Re: Trump's Next Trade War Target: Chinese Students at Elite Schools

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post #47
post #38

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> . If they further hamstring themselves by excluding Chinese students, the decline of American science will accelerate dramatically it is a strange assumption to make since by all counts the US is already the country in the world with the most diverse population. It is not as if science is only the work of students or even in particular foreign students...

60-80% of graduate students in STEM fields in the U.S. are international students. It seems like having 60-80% fewer graduates would accelerate the decline of American science.

“[B]etween 1995 and 2015, the number of full-time domestic students enrolled in graduate computer science programs increased by 45 percent, from 8,627 to 12,539 students, while the number of full-time international graduate students increased by about 480 percent, from 7,883 in 1995 to 45,790 in 2015.”

CS went from less than 50% to nearly 80% foreign graduate students over 10 years. Quite interesting!

https://www.insidehighered.com/quicktakes/2017/10/11/foreign...

Re: Trump's Next Trade War Target: Chinese Students at Elite Schools

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post #12

In 2013, the number of Chinese students returning to China after graduating hit 90%. [1] It used to be more like 9 in 10 would remain in the US to work. If foreign graduate students are staying and working in the US, it’s probably a net benefit hosting them in US schools, even though it drives up demand and therefore tuition costs for US citizens. If 8 or 9 out of 10 are returning to China, better to keep the spot fo…

> It may be different at the graduate level, where ~25% of enrollment is foreign. Only 25%? If you look at science and engineering graduate programs, its probably closer to 90%. Or its certainly felt like that around every department I've seen.

You’re right, it’s overwhelmingly foreign students in STEM. I guess non-STEM balances it out?

Re: Trump's Next Trade War Target: Chinese Students at Elite Schools

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I was a grad student when the Tienanmen Square demonstrations happened. Chinese students in the US formed the backbone of a network that maintained communication with their compatriots in China. I personally think that welcoming international students and treating them with goodwill is good foreign policy.

Yes. At that time many Chinese students got green card by taking advantage of the 1989-6-4 (Today is a special day) massacre. There is a special term for those kind of green cards: blood cards. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Student_Protection_Act...

It turns out, after a decade, most of those blood card scholars have no problem to work for the communist party government at all, as long as they can get paid.

Re: Trump's Next Trade War Target: Chinese Students at Elite Schools

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

All this anti-China activity almost reminds me of the "yellow peril" at the turn of the last century...

I would agree except that it's one hundred years later and there are Uighur re-education camps and social credit scores and new islands in the South China Sea with missile platforms and statements about reconquering Taiwan and... well.

And the USS Maine definitely did sink in a Cuban port.

Re: Trump's Next Trade War Target: Chinese Students at Elite Schools

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post #9

Students from China (and many other countries) are required to renew their visas annually, a process which is already quite nerve-wracking for many. PhDs in particular can take anywhere from 4 to 8 years to complete, meaning 4-8 chances for your studies to be interrupted with the only option to return home while the visa renewal stalls. This article explicitly calls out the fact that renewals seem to have been gettin…

> yes, even China

Just going to leave this here [1]. That's at Peking University, top school in the country. Sure, if you're a foreigner, you'll probably be left alone, but your classmates are not allowed to be themselves, and that's part of your learning environment.

[1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/if-i-disap...

Re: Trump's Next Trade War Target: Chinese Students at Elite Schools

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post #9

Students from China (and many other countries) are required to renew their visas annually, a process which is already quite nerve-wracking for many. PhDs in particular can take anywhere from 4 to 8 years to complete, meaning 4-8 chances for your studies to be interrupted with the only option to return home while the visa renewal stalls. This article explicitly calls out the fact that renewals seem to have been gettin…

At the same time, there are a fair amount of public examples of Chinese academics taking US research budgets and running with the results. Or intelligence agents posing as students and swiping everything from university systems. The Confucius Institutes seem similarly nefarious.

There needs to be a balance. Cutting out every Chinese academic is absurd and xenophobic, but more scrutiny is needed.

This issue isn't black and white; a more nuanced approach is required. To pretend that there isn't some merit to some of these ideas is just as absurd as saying that every academic is a spy.

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2019/04/29/fbi-director-...

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/china/education-or-espionage-ch...

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/3007903/chi...

Re: Trump's Next Trade War Target: Chinese Students at Elite Schools

#60
post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine getting funding in USA for research and sending the research and results back to China so they can patent it before. Who benefits then?

If said research is developed and productized into something that works? Then we all benefit, cancer victims most notably. Hence the public funding of basic research.

Sure....Chinese government gets the money by selling the medicine without investing in the research. That's cheating. And you really think cancer patients will get benefits without paying for an arm and leg?
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