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Re: Apple Sign In

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Post by diminoten »

noelsusman wrote: post #245
basch wrote: post #205

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Apple ID as SSO, iMessage Profile, Memoji, and Apple Pay. Apple is near FB Messenger parity, now that it functions as an account for external services. It's an extremely strong move on Apple's part, especially considering how close to it they have been for a while. They sure like taking their time sometimes.

They're close to parity with a giant exception that it's not available to the overwhelming majority of Facebook users.

You can create/have an Apple account without any Apple devices, I believe.

Re: Apple Sign In

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Post by canes123456 »

mindgam3 wrote: post #369
polutropos wrote: post #308

According to the App Store review guidelines update posted today, Sign In with Apple will be required for any iOS app that implements a single-sign in button. "Sign In with Apple will be available for beta testing this summer. It will be required as an option for users in apps that support third-party sign-in when it is commercially available later this year." https://developer.apple.com/news/?id=06032019j

This is Apple sensing weakness and dropping a bomb right on facebook’s doorstep. And they sidestep the anticompetitive angle by arguing that instant anonymous sign on is simply a better UX, which it is. Someone at Apple deserves a raise.

Lol, I doubt it. Apple is years late and sucks at doing the leg work of getting third parties to adopt its suck. Look at Apple Pay which was launched at the perfect time.

Re: Apple Sign In

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Post by diminoten »

bscphil wrote: post #384
basch wrote: post #258

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Yes they do https://bgr.com/2019/05/31/iphone-11-rumors-leaks-vs-android... AND https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/iphone-use-teens-2018/ >He works in IT at an unnamed company, and his team noticed something crazy: of the 500 employees at the company, only 8 of them chose to use an Android phone. Everyone else — all 492 of them — chose an iPhone over Android phones. It was because they didn’t want to be “green bubb…

>Sensible people do not deliberately handcuff themselves to trillion dollar megacorps and then throw away the key. >Yes they do >It was because they didn’t want to be “green bubbles,” a reference to the fact that iMessage chats in the iPhone’s Messages app use blue bubbles while SMS chats are displayed with green bubbles Sorry, it seems to me like the story you're relating supports the point of the post you disagree…

Sensible people absolutely do choose a phone on the basis of how they're perceived by owning that phone.

Perception has value. You can rail against society all you want, but the reality is your peers make and break you.

Re: Apple Sign In

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Post by applecrazy »

tty2300 wrote: post #371
dragonsky67 wrote: post #345

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Personal experience. Battery change on iphone SE, cost $75. They couldn't safely do the replacement (broken tabs on battery) and they simply replaced the phone. I'm not sure how this is manipulating to get me to purchase a new phone.

That's not much better. Another phone goes to landfill because not even apple was able to repair it due to their horrendous practicices. It took me half an hour to remove a battery from an iPhone and I had to get the hair dryer out to melt the glue. With other devices I just unscrew a bracket holding the battery down and it takes me 5 minutes.

> Another phone goes to landfill

That's disingenuous. Apple has a recycling program, where they take apart every component to be reused or recycled into new materials.[1]

[1]: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2018/04/apple-adds-earth-day-...

Re: Apple Sign In

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Post by dionian »

natch wrote: post #370
sturgill wrote: post #348

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But this explicitly doesn’t work as an SSO. How can I tie that back to the actual email address they would have used to create an account using their FB / Google account? This sounds like a tremendous headache that I really don’t want to worry about. But Apple is looking to leverage their power in the app market to force me to implement a tool I may not be interested in as a merchant? I despise being strong armed. I…

It’s the users who are being given power here over their own data. Yeah it’s tough but it’s been a long time coming.

I trust apple w/ my data way more than the EU

Re: Apple Sign In

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Post by mrgalaxy »

MRD85 wrote: post #237
mindgam3 wrote: post #233

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I highly recommend buying a 2015 Macbook Pro, if you can find someone willing to part with theirs. Apple laptop hardware started going off the rails after they shipped that one with touch bar + keyboard shenanigans.

Ok, thanks. I know nothing at all about Apple hardware. It's still a very daunting decision to make. I like the ability to buy my own hardware, for desktops, and to build what I like at a cheaper price. Apple charges a premium but now I have more of an idea of what that premium will get me. It would be a huge migration for me. Everything I own is tied to one of a few Gmail accounts. My photo history, my uni work in G…

I own a 2016 Macbook Pro and 2018 Macbook Pro and I have to agree with the others in this thread: don't buy a modern Mac laptop. I really regret purchasing the 2018, my next laptop will probably a Linux based machine.

I recently switched to iPhone after using Android devices for many years to get away from Google and that was actually a purchase I can recommend. The Macbook Pro, not so much.

Re: Apple Sign In

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Post by summerlight »

nihonde wrote: post #359
sb8244 wrote: post #344

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Is it problematic if Apple says "you must include us if you include anyone else?" That seems anti-competitive to me.

That’s competing. Fair play unless you’re the dominant player in the relevant market.

The trouble here is the definition of "market". Apple's ecosystem (which Apple has an absolute control on) doesn't seem to be very safe from being defined as a sole market since there's no viable substitute to the app store for Apple users.

For instance, even if Apple decides to increase the app store fee to 50% so its app's prices as well, still consumers don't have much choice since buying a new phone is typically more expensive by order of magnitude than buying an app. This is also a part of Spotify's claim as well and Apple is trying to defend itself for this time unlike Apple v. Pepper.

Re: Apple Sign In

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Post by cavisne »

sturgill wrote: post #348
dfabulich wrote: post #328

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Therefore, anyone offering Facebook/Google login will also have to accept Apple's anonymized forwarded email addresses, like fc452bd5ea@privaterelay.appleid.com.

But this explicitly doesn’t work as an SSO. How can I tie that back to the actual email address they would have used to create an account using their FB / Google account? This sounds like a tremendous headache that I really don’t want to worry about. But Apple is looking to leverage their power in the app market to force me to implement a tool I may not be interested in as a merchant? I despise being strong armed. I…

It seems the email part is optional (ie you can choose to share your verified email with the company if you want).

The above scenario goes against what they are trying to achieve though

1) If you support SSO and email/password - then the email and password are still stored (and possibly not hashed and salted if the developer is incompetent) - so you are at risk of compromise if you reuse passwords 2) If you store the users actual email, you are putting them at risk of credential stuffing, as well as opening them up to tracking

The EU can always surprise, but I suspect they would actually like this because it addresses key risks to consumers of password reuse, credential stuffing, and tracking. Additionally it competes against their ideological targets, Facebook and Google.

Re: Apple Sign In

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Post by equalarrow »

pat2man wrote: post #276
basch wrote: post #208

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As soon as Keychain can abstract away passwords completely (rando generation, never need to show the user the password), so an end user cant tell if a site supports Apple SSO or if Apple is just emulating SSO, Apple deserves to be crowned the Identity Winner.

There is a session on WebAuthN on Thursday.

This is the bigger news I think and what people should really be paying attention to.

Re: Apple Sign In

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Post by nihonde »

summerlight wrote: post #397
nihonde wrote: post #359

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That’s competing. Fair play unless you’re the dominant player in the relevant market.

The trouble here is the definition of "market". Apple's ecosystem (which Apple has an absolute control on) doesn't seem to be very safe from being defined as a sole market since there's no viable substitute to the app store for Apple users. For instance, even if Apple decides to increase the app store fee to 50% so its app's prices as well, still consumers don't have much choice since buying a new phone is typically…

You can’t define Apple’s market as iOS customers unless there are no alternatives to iOS, which there most certainly are.
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