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Re: Apple Sign In

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Post by damnyou » Mon, Jun 03, 2019, 9:56 PM UTC

basch wrote: post #258

damnyou wrote: post #244

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Sorry how can I get iMessage on my Android phone? Sensible people do not deliberately handcuff themselves to trillion dollar megacorps and then throw away the key.

Yes they do https://bgr.com/2019/05/31/iphone-11-rumors-leaks-vs-android... AND https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/iphone-use-teens-2018/ >He works in IT at an unnamed company, and his team noticed something crazy: of the 500 employees at the company, only 8 of them chose to use an Android phone. Everyone else — all 492 of them — chose an iPhone over Android phones. It was because they didn’t want to be “green bubb…

Google and Facebook IDs work on Android, Windows and Linux.

Re: Apple Sign In

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Post by ipsum2 » Mon, Jun 03, 2019, 10:00 PM UTC

falcolas wrote: post #85

jbeckham wrote: post #53

Maybe I'm cynical, but this looks more like a data hording scheme than a protect my privacy enhancement. If I use Google to sign in, Google and the app has that data and can monetize it. Now if I sign in using Apple, they are going to have the data to monetize. They may keep the app from getting my information, but that means that their data is better than someone else's data, so it is more valuable. Also, they are g…

Apple doesn't, to the best of my knowledge, monetize data, either through ads or selling it to third parties. I'd welcome a clarification if I'm wrong.

https://searchads.apple.com/

They're monetizing user data/behavior.

One example, I didn't search very hard.

> User response is an important signal of ad relevance. If customers don’t tap on an ad, Apple Search Ads will stop showing it to them.

Re: Apple Sign In

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Post by the_watcher » Mon, Jun 03, 2019, 10:01 PM UTC

nwsm wrote: post #147

the_watcher wrote: post #52

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There are plenty of applications that don't actually care about the additional data they could arguably get from a Google/Facebook login, and only offer it because one click sign-up/login drives more signups.

In cases of a trustworthy third party, what is the concern of linking to Google/Facebook account compared to an Apple account that doesn't offer any data? I don't think I've seen any instances of Facebook integration credentials being hacked/stolen.

In reality, pretty much nothing (particularly since now, third parties basically only get name + email). The value is that some (small or large) number of potential users might not know or believe that and trust Apple more.

Re: Apple Sign In

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Post by jdminhbg » Mon, Jun 03, 2019, 10:03 PM UTC

DuskStar wrote: post #86

awinder wrote: post #76

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I would venture a guess that apple/icloud accounts are the highest % account type amongst iPhone holders. All sorts of people have reasons for not having gmail / facebook / etc., but apple account setup is pretty prominent in device setup.

Sure, it might be the highest % among iPhone holders - but for a website, what portion of your users are going to be iPhone holders, and what portion of the Windows/Android crowd have Apple accounts?

You don't have to implement it to the exclusion of other methods. There are plenty of merchants on the web with Apple Pay and also Paypal, straight up credit card numbers, etc.

Re: Apple Sign In

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Post by cfarm » Mon, Jun 03, 2019, 10:09 PM UTC

Google and FB will likely copy this asap.

Re: Apple Sign In

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Post by dantheman0207 » Mon, Jun 03, 2019, 10:11 PM UTC

tschwimmer wrote: post #268

This is really good for consumers, but I'm afraid that many websites simply won't bother to implement this. Apple just doesn't have the unique marketshare that Google and FB have. The set of users that would use such a thing is the union of privacy focused users and users with an Apple ID and not a Facebook or Google account. This set is heavily overrepresented on HN but is relatively small overall. If I run foo dot…

Might be true. Certainly it’s true that Apple represents a smaller user base then, say, Google or Facebook.

But Apple users represent a disproportionately large subset of the users that spend money.

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Post by threeseed » Mon, Jun 03, 2019, 10:13 PM UTC

peeters wrote: post #101

lotsofpulp wrote: post #98

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You will never be able to know the future, you can only make decisions based on information available now.

My point is some of the information available now is that historically, companies that respect your privacy today might not tomorrow. And might only be respecting your privacy to get a monopoly on your data so they can exploit it later.

Difference is you can visibly see how Apple makes money.

It's exclusively from premium hardware and services. And not from advertising or monetising your data.

Re: Apple Sign In

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Post by basch » Mon, Jun 03, 2019, 10:18 PM UTC

dcbadacd wrote: post #279

basch wrote: post #216

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Mobile Dashlane and Lastpass work much better on Android, where the OS allows you to set default apps. If Apple deserves any antitrust spankings its for not allowing user control of protocol handlers and default programs.

Bitwarden seems to work quite nicely as well but in addition to that Bitwarden is open-source.

I was going to mention it but I hadn't used it yet.

Re: Apple Sign In

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Post by basch » Mon, Jun 03, 2019, 10:19 PM UTC

djrogers wrote: post #272

basch wrote: post #216

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Mobile Dashlane and Lastpass work much better on Android, where the OS allows you to set default apps. If Apple deserves any antitrust spankings its for not allowing user control of protocol handlers and default programs.

iOS allows you to set your default password manager...

I thought that was just default AutoFill? It allows saving passwords to your password manager too?

Re: Apple Sign In

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Post by pluffycat » Mon, Jun 03, 2019, 10:19 PM UTC

anbop wrote: post #92

mjlee wrote: post #3

Disposable, anonymous email forwarding is a massive step forward for privacy. I know we've all been doing it for a while, but this on a consumer level is fantastic.

And being done by Apple, most services can’t just reject these the way they do with Mailinator addresses, since it would be throwing away a giant chunk of their revenue. Apps with huge consumer demand like Uber or Facebook could get away with it, but not the vast majority of apps.

I’m tired of gmail and hotmail forcing me to sign up using my personal cell phone number. Finally I can create throwaway emails without resorting to gmail!