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Re: Apple Sign In

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Devils advocate: ‘Error: We love Apple and anonymity but we require a real email address to prevent fraud and to properly secure your account. Please enter your real email address.’

This sounds like a way to get your app rejected for abusing APIs.

In an app I agree. On a website signup however..?

Re: Apple Sign In

#52
post #15

What's the incentive for apps to offer it? Now they don't get user data.

There are plenty of applications that don't actually care about the additional data they could arguably get from a Google/Facebook login, and only offer it because one click sign-up/login drives more signups.

Re: Apple Sign In

#53
Maybe I'm cynical, but this looks more like a data hording scheme than a protect my privacy enhancement. If I use Google to sign in, Google and the app has that data and can monetize it.

Now if I sign in using Apple, they are going to have the data to monetize. They may keep the app from getting my information, but that means that their data is better than someone else's data, so it is more valuable. Also, they are getting app usage statistics that I may have opted out of at the OS level, but they now have due to having the sign in history.

Re: Apple Sign In

#54

Can’t services just disallow/block this address? Fun thing is, Apple themselves block name+addon@gmail.com addresses when using their dev console. You can bet that some companies will disallow Apple’s signature private passwords similarly if they can, in the name of ‘security’ or what have you. Or am I being too cynical? Feel free to CMV. EDIT: best response addressing this seems to be ‘The addresses are only generat…

But in return for that, the services that choose to employ this will get a soft guarantee that the person signing up is unique/real. Its a way to get real-name/real-id with some amount of privacy.

Re: Apple Sign In

#55
post #3

Disposable, anonymous email forwarding is a massive step forward for privacy. I know we've all been doing it for a while, but this on a consumer level is fantastic.

I agree that it is great. I'm not sure how we convince people to not signup on sites that don't offer this SSO option. I've always struggled with the question of 'How do we convince people to care about privacy when they post their location and meal to a public social media every hour?'.

Re: Apple Sign In

#56
post #3

Disposable, anonymous email forwarding is a massive step forward for privacy. I know we've all been doing it for a while, but this on a consumer level is fantastic.

If you don’t use apple, I just built this as a stand-alone product: https://idbloc.co

There is also spamgourmet, which is free and has been around for 20 years.

Re: Apple Sign In

#57
Companies already massive dislike fake/temporary emails. Go find a throwaway email service and you'll find many many websites blacklist them. I'll actually be angry if Apple succeeds, because it'll just mean I can only have private email address as an apple customer and not anywhere else. Many companies might make an exception for Apple, but not anyone else.

Re: Apple Sign In

#58
Sounds like a good time to remind people about Telegram having a similar function for quite some time now. And just yesterday they announced a feature to simplify logging into web sites using TG bots: https://telegram.org/blog/privacy-discussions-web-bots

It might be a personal choice, but for stuff when privacy is really important I'd definitely pick Telegram over Apple, no matter how much the latter claims to keep me safe from three-letter agencies as well as marketers.

Re: Apple Sign In

#59
post #35

What is forcing the sites that I'd want to use a fake email address with to use this? It wouldn't be in their interest to. They will just stick with their current SSO setup of Google/Facebook/whatever and never touch this, if they have SSO at all. I LOVE LOVE LOVE the idea, I just don't know if it will be useful and successful.

Nothing is forcing them to, and lots probably won't. The carrot is the much lower friction for sign up for users. It's similar to Apple Pay, where you don't get credit card info, but you do get a much easier user flow that will get you more signups.

But will it be lower friction than login with Google or Facebook? It feels like it's more common for someone to have an account from one of those two than from Apple, and so "sign on with Apple" will never be able to be the only SSO option, while Google or Facebook could be.

If the better (for the site) SSO options also have near-universal market penetration, what's the incentive to add Apple?

Re: Apple Sign In

#60
post #55
post #3

Disposable, anonymous email forwarding is a massive step forward for privacy. I know we've all been doing it for a while, but this on a consumer level is fantastic.

I agree that it is great. I'm not sure how we convince people to not signup on sites that don't offer this SSO option. I've always struggled with the question of 'How do we convince people to care about privacy when they post their location and meal to a public social media every hour?'.

My rule, and it is a semi-idiotic one, is "i don't impulse buy from independent merchant websites that don't support apple pay at checkout".

I usually email them after, too. "I actually clicked through your instagram ad, looked at some clothes that looked nice, and didn't buy anything because I was on my phone and didn't want to make a new account and add credentials to my password manager. Have you considered adding apple pay support to your shopify account?"

I have no idea if i'm helping or not.

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