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Is everything we eat associated with cancer? A systematic cookbook review

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Re: Is everything we eat associated with cancer? A systematic cookbook review

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A subtle way to suggest fasting ?

If you stop eating for a few weeks it probably does lower your chances of getting cancer significantly.

Not only that, enough time without food can free you of all the worries that are common to mere mortals :)

Re: Is everything we eat associated with cancer? A systematic cookbook review

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Wow, that was quite a read. What does seem to stand out is the danger of negative results not being published. 99 studies look at an ingredient, find nothing, don't publish. Through pure chance, the hundredth study finds a correlation, and everyone is immediately convinced that yet another ingredient is unhealthy.

This is the big way for p-value science to fail, even if every actor is honest. It's obvious once you understand what a p-value is (it literally takes 5 seconds to understand) but nearly nobody does. Even people I've worked with at a FAANG, which you'd expect have an above average understanding of mathematics.

https://xkcd.com/882/

P values don't work at all if there's a lot of people working in a field!

Re: Is everything we eat associated with cancer? A systematic cookbook review

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, that's basically true, isn't it? Oxygen is extremely reactive and was poisonous to early life: https://slate.com/technology/2014/07/the-great-oxygenation-e...

It still is. If you live at sea level, your chances of getting lung cancer are much higher that of you live at higher elevations.

Huh. I didn't know that. What's the altitude at which cancer risk starts increasing again due to radiation exposure?

Re: Is everything we eat associated with cancer? A systematic cookbook review

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post #7

See also Kill or Cure , a comprehensive index of every Daily Mail article claiming that something causes or prevents cancer. https://kill-or-cure.herokuapp.com/

Looks like it does subject/verb plurality agreement based on the presence of an 's' at the end of the subject. Thus: "Asbestos prevent cancer". Heh. Software.

“Asbestos” is a plural, though (in Greek and in Latin—where the word originates—by declension.) The fact that English bungled the receive doesn’t mean that the algorithm is wrong. I would expect a sufficiently-intelligent pluralizing algorithm (something like GPT trained on individual grapheme sequences) would pluralize asbestos too (in absence of direct evidence of its pluralization; and maybe even then.)

Re: Is everything we eat associated with cancer? A systematic cookbook review

#46

Wow, that was quite a read. What does seem to stand out is the danger of negative results not being published. 99 studies look at an ingredient, find nothing, don't publish. Through pure chance, the hundredth study finds a correlation, and everyone is immediately convinced that yet another ingredient is unhealthy.

The study will fail to replicate.

Not necessarily, it's just a new random pick :)

Re: Is everything we eat associated with cancer? A systematic cookbook review

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https://lowres.cartooncollections.com/doctors-medical-parano... The SENS people say, if you live long enough, you will eventually have cancer.

I was under the impression that everyone has cancer all the time at about the same rate the body can fight it before it becomes an actual, detectable problem.

Yup. So shoukd we should worry about our ability to fight it, rather than what 'causes' it, outside agressive carcenogens?

Re: Is everything we eat associated with cancer? A systematic cookbook review

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post #7

See also Kill or Cure , a comprehensive index of every Daily Mail article claiming that something causes or prevents cancer. https://kill-or-cure.herokuapp.com/

Looks like it does subject/verb plurality agreement based on the presence of an 's' at the end of the subject. Thus: "Asbestos prevent cancer". Heh. Software.

Huh, I think you meant to say "Asbestos cause cancer". It'd be really interesting if some news articles claimed asbestos prevents cancer.

Re: Is everything we eat associated with cancer? A systematic cookbook review

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do the oldest people predominantly die of cancer?

The parent’s comment is tautologically true: if nothing kills you first, cancer will eventually kill you.

That is, given that humans eventually die.

Re: Is everything we eat associated with cancer? A systematic cookbook review

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post #20

You can basically dump all mouse studies, since the standard kibble was something high sugary/starchy. Add fat -> cancer; add more sugar -> cancer...; add more protein -> cancer Epidemiological stuff is flawed as well. Unless the people are kept in a closed ward and every meal is kept under close observation, it's probably not "clean" data. There is hope though... annecdotal evidence seems to point towards unprocesse…

I'm surprised to see your comment in good health. Everytime I link to Georgia Ede or meatheals I get downvoted to oblivion lol, just as this comment too will (as if there is a vegan bot on HN targeting my comments?).
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