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Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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Post by rossdavidh »

galangalalgol wrote: post #292
rossdavidh wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uh, that's not my experience at all...I use FF normally, and Chrome not uncommonly (sometimes it's handy to have an entirely separate browser, plus compatibility testing), and I find no noticeable difference.

I agree in windows, but in Linux and android FF has some issues. I still use it but sometimes if a page is being super slow I'll open it in chrome instead.

Hmmmm...not denying your experience, but I haven't used Windows routinely in years; my last several laptops have been Linux. Maybe I just use different websites?

Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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Post by nh2 »

ubercow13 wrote: post #548
nh2 wrote: post #440

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Firefox has significant performance and correctness problems. * Multi-second UI jank/freeze ( https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1546847 ) * HTTP2 is broken, infinite-stalls and internal errors surface if you upload enough files ( https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1540574 ) * WebGL is very slow on Linux ( https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1010527 ) * High CPU on Linux even when in the…

I've certainly had something equivalent to the first one in Chrome frequently, seemingly when it's waiting for an unresponsive child process, often when closing a tab. It won't lock up as the UI seems to be separated from the other processes well enough to allow it to keep rendering loading animations etc. However every part of the browser will stop functioning including showing any tab content or opening any menu, f…

I can confirm both.

Often, closing a tab in Chromium simply does nothing.

Chromium has lost my tabs multiple times (not by profile corruption, but not restoring them on startup). Firefox hasn't lost my tabs for over 10 years -- one big reason I use it (it did lose them ~5 times but I could always restore them from the backup file in the profile directory).

Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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Post by lkbm »

newscracker wrote: post #481
sergiotapia wrote: post #328

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I did give Firefox a _serious_ exclusive try for the past two months. It's terrible for heavy websites. Clickup, PivotalTracker, JIRA, Zeplin - the browser just chokes on these sites and get janky. On Chrome they are butter smooth. I don't know what to do. I want to use anything other than Chrome, but I also want a sane workday and not have the browser jank my day up constantly. I would use Brave but they don't have…

I'd suggest you try creating a new profile (after saving your bookmarks elsewhere) and start from there, installing your favorite extensions one by one. An uninstall and a fresh install could also be combined with this. Check the Firefox knowledge base for instructions on creating a new profile.

If you have Firefox sync on, you can also do a profile refresh from about:support and it will re-add your extensions via the sync. I did this last night and I think the only things I lost were userContent.css (which I'd backed up) and custom search engines.

Yesterday, whenever I closed a window, it would freeze for 3+ seconds. After refreshing my profile, it's back in full working order again.

EDIT: Oh yeah, I also lost all cookies (which is probably a good thing), notification settings, and my custom containers. tbh, the only thing that really matters is that I still have all my bookmark keywords. Everything else could have been wiped and I'd be fine.

Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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Post by kumarvvr »

brlewis wrote: post #731
kumarvvr wrote: post #667

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> I think you're giving them too much credit, bordering on a conspiracy theory. There's no way they knew all of this would happen and that they would now be in the position to dictate the plug-ins we use. Think about it. The time when Chrome came around, Firefox was poised to become the dominant player in the market, barring Safari, which was big on mobile but small on traditional desktops. To some extent, Mozilla de…

Alternate motivation: People stay engaged on the web more when pages are faster. One thing that makes pages faster is a faster browser. When people stay engaged on the web more, Google makes more money. Chrome's initial big selling point was being faster. Disclaimer: ex-googler.

As pointed out by another reply to your comment, Chrome was about pulling the users into googles ecoststem. By combining search bar with address bar, it blurred the line between a google search and a web address.

Just like Facebook, with its free basics internet deals with mobile providers in emerging markets, sought to confuse people into thinking Facebook is the internet, Google also sought to confuse people to think Google is the internet.

Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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Post by nh2 »

chmln wrote: post #538
nh2 wrote: post #440

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Firefox has significant performance and correctness problems. * Multi-second UI jank/freeze ( https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1546847 ) * HTTP2 is broken, infinite-stalls and internal errors surface if you upload enough files ( https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1540574 ) * WebGL is very slow on Linux ( https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1010527 ) * High CPU on Linux even when in the…

Firefox also has bad input lag compared to chrome, everywhere from the address bar to basic textareas. I've filed https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1408699 quite a while ago with some measurements. Sadly, no progress so far.

Can confirm. For me also sometimes input "buffers up", not showing up for over a second, and then appearing at once. I attribute most of that to the first bug in my list for now, as it freezes everything.

Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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Post by riskable »

nostalgk wrote: post #784
ravenstine wrote: post #269

Slightly off topic, I'm finding it very disingenuous that people in this thread(and any other threads that come up about Firefox) have actually had significant performance issues with Firefox. No bugs that are noteworthy, sans that fiasco with the expired certificate that disabled addons briefly. I've been using Firefox since "quantum" on both my MacBooks(one of which is old AF) and on Linux. I've yet to have problem…

My one issue with Firefox is the disk usage. Running on an internal SSD, the entire browser still slows to a crawl for 30+ seconds upon opening, regardless of the previous tabs open (although if a video is there, it takes even longer). I've done all the tweaks and configurations found online, and nothing has made a marked improvement whatsoever. Not going to switch, but it's incredibly frustrating.

Are you experiencing this pause on Windows, Mac OS, or Linux? I ask because my employer has some crap McAfee security theatre software installed (Windows) that causes this same issue for me for any application that loads any large-ish file (or large number of files) on startup. Since Firefox is going to load a bazillion things from cache on startup it (or similar software) could be causing the problem.

I had support temporarily disable McAfee's "on-access scanner" thing so I could test it and the problem went away immediately. Everything was nice and snappy again!

Of course, they turned it back on after the test...

Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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Post by kmlx »

stOneskull wrote: post #651
kmlx wrote: post #630

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from personal experience, it's the performance and bugs of firefox that keeps me away. for this reason i will not switch.

Firefox keeps improving. Since I switched back, I've noticed it has less bugs than Chrome had.

oh, for sure. it's just that at this point in time, on my macos firefox is simply inferior to macos chrome. fyi i'm a power user (tens/hundreds of tabs, lots of web development etc), so this might not apply to everybody.

Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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Post by riskable »

mwill wrote: post #641
ravenstine wrote: post #269

Slightly off topic, I'm finding it very disingenuous that people in this thread(and any other threads that come up about Firefox) have actually had significant performance issues with Firefox. No bugs that are noteworthy, sans that fiasco with the expired certificate that disabled addons briefly. I've been using Firefox since "quantum" on both my MacBooks(one of which is old AF) and on Linux. I've yet to have problem…

I use firefox as my daily for a few years now, I switched for panorama view, and almost switched back to chrome when the extension was broken, but stuck it out until it was fixed. Quantum improved it, but I still have lots of issues with Firefox on Linux. To name a few: (For reference I'm running Firefox 67 on NixOS, xmonad, no DE, 7700K, 64GB RAM, RTX2070, only extensions I use are uBlock Origin, Panorama View, but…

> RTX2070

That's the cause of your visual glitches (and the occasional "window stops working"). Switch to Nvidia's 430 driver and that should improve things considerably. It did for me anyway.

Never have these issues with Firefox on another PC I regularly use with an AMD GPU. Ditto for my Intel-only GPU laptop (though I don't use that much).

Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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Post by mediocrejoker »

nh2 wrote: post #440
ravenstine wrote: post #269

Slightly off topic, I'm finding it very disingenuous that people in this thread(and any other threads that come up about Firefox) have actually had significant performance issues with Firefox. No bugs that are noteworthy, sans that fiasco with the expired certificate that disabled addons briefly. I've been using Firefox since "quantum" on both my MacBooks(one of which is old AF) and on Linux. I've yet to have problem…

Firefox has significant performance and correctness problems. * Multi-second UI jank/freeze ( https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1546847 ) * HTTP2 is broken, infinite-stalls and internal errors surface if you upload enough files ( https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1540574 ) * WebGL is very slow on Linux ( https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1010527 ) * High CPU on Linux even when in the…

I've had a few instances of firefox on Mac and Linux starting to spin up the fans, and show high CPU usage, and I've had trouble pinning down which tab was causing it.

Is about:performance the best place to do this or is there something like Chrome's task manager that shows CPU and memory usage per page, and per extension?

Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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Post by Balgair »

yogthos wrote: post #756
nickflood wrote: post #744

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I think, this situation is the same as when you tell people to "vote with your wallet" as to not spend money on the inferior product when the issue is clearly far beyond where people can freely decide this. Edit to add: Not defending Chrome. I've used IE and Edge since IE9 came out because I saw this thing coming. And I promoted other browsers all the way. Didn't help. I am not moving to Chrome ever and will try and…

Except there's absolutely nothing inferior about Firefox nowadays. I switched about a year ago, and I don't miss a single thing from Chrome.

> Except there's absolutely nothing inferior about Firefox nowadays.

I mean, maybe for you. But for me, with the add-on that I use, and the computer that I am on, FF is not the most optimal, Chrome is. FF is slower for me and my set-up.

EDIT: I'm not joshing here or trying to trash on others. FF may be faster for you, that's fine. But in my own personal little corner of the world, FF is slower than Chrome. I've no idea why, maybe I could spend a few days trying to figure this out and then optimize FF to make it faster. But, for me, out of the box, FF really is slower.

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