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Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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My experience exactly. The dev tools have caught up to chrome and in some ways surpassed it.

The only thing I miss is the ease which you can create and use different profiles in Chrome. Facilitates testing web apps. Firefox's support of multiple profiles is kludgy.

Have you tried firefox's container extension? A more light weight, but easy to use separation of "profiles"

Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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Googler here, but I do not work on Chrome and I’m speaking on a personal capacity. I believe this is a misnomer. The enterprise deployment stuff I’m aware of in Chrome/Chromium is accessible by any user, as far as I know, and in the past I’ve used it to force private browsing on always for my own personal usage. That said, I switched to Firefox when Quantum came out and haven’t looked back. Mozilla has done some anno…

Is it this? https://cloud.google.com/chrome-enterprise/browser/download

Key point (for Windows) on that page is:

  ADM/ADMX templates with 300+ user and device policies
ADM/ADMXs are a list of settable policies (rules) that Chrome will read from the Windows Registry on startup[1]. I'm going to make a huge assumption that the Chrome.exe for Enterprise users is no different to the Chrome.exe that everyone else uses, and it switches into 'Enterprise' mode if it sees certain key policy entries in the Registry[2].

These polices are typically set on a Windows Domain Controller and are pushed to Domain member machines (and users) on the network on a regular basis.

However end-users can simulate the policies by setting these Registry entries manually (There are about 4 places in the Registry where they live). Depending on where Chrome looks, the user may need local admin privileges to do this.

So, what we really need is a 'Chrome Enterprise Enabler' tool, that does this automatically for non-technical users. They would run this tool, the required Registry keys would be enabled, and WebRequest API based Ad-blocking would continue to work.

Unfortunately, none of this helps Linux users as I don't see a Linux Enterprise Chrome package.

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[1] I've got 25+ years of Windows domain administration under my belt, this stuff used to be my bread-and-butter.

[2] Even if not, extracting just the Chrome MSI installer from the Enterprise bundle is trivial.

Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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Is it this? https://cloud.google.com/chrome-enterprise/browser/download

Looks like some useful stuff for deploying to Enterprise, but actually as far as I know the enterprise functionality exists in normal installations. Like for example, this stuff: http://dev.chromium.org/administrators/policy-list-3 To be honest, I am not the most knowledgeable here; I just know I used the enterprise policy system on my personal laptop without issue.

See my sibling comment.

Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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I don't get it. I've used Firefox and Chrome for years. Firefox is easily as good and capable as Chrome. The barrier to switch from Chrome to Firefox is almost non-existent. Is Google counting on the majority of people not being knowledgeable enough or motivated enough to switch browsers?

Unfortunately, my Firefox on Ubuntu just keeps claiming more and more memory until it runs out and freezes the system. I don’t want to use Chrome, but I still wouldn’t call that very great.

Try removing custom css from the firefox profile(userchrome.css/usercontent.css) and disabling themes.

Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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From the author of uBlock on this: What we see are the public statements, for public consumption, they are designed to "sell" the changes to the wider public. What we do not see is what is being said in private meetings by officers who get to decide how to optimize the business. So we have to judge not by what is said for public consumption purpose, but by what in effect is being done, or what they plan to do. This i…

Indeed, almost the entire ad-blocking market is controlled by the company behind Adblock Plus (eyeo GmbH), who has contracts with Google. It appears they also own AdBlock, and uBlock (not confused with uBO), so during the last years they basically tried to capture the entire market. The fact that Eyeo has >150 employees tells us something about the amount of money to be made from ad blocking. Although they have only…

There is an additional danger here.

Currently, we can go use Firefox or Joe's homemade browser to to back the features that Chrome removes, such as the ability for an ad-blocker to access and remove content. But we've already seen just last month [1] that Google actively prevents Firefox from using some features of Google products (need to find the HN link). Thus Google as a content provider can easily steep people into using the Google web browser.

This is really starting to smell similar to the Microsoft - IE debacle all over again.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19669586

Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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I ditched Chrome and came back to Firefox, next step is to donate to Mozilla.

Yep, I'm about to ditch Chrome altogether now. I gritted my teeth and just handled a few of the more bone-headed changes the Chrome team made, but this latest change is a deal breaker. The truth is, I actually don't need Chrome for anything. Firefox is faster now, gives me more freedom and has less corporate affiliations. I'll stick with Mozilla.

Out of curiosity, what would you say was the thing that still kept you on Chrome even though all of the things you said apply? Inertia due to habit?

Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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Slightly off topic, I'm finding it very disingenuous that people in this thread(and any other threads that come up about Firefox) have actually had significant performance issues with Firefox. No bugs that are noteworthy, sans that fiasco with the expired certificate that disabled addons briefly. I've been using Firefox since "quantum" on both my MacBooks(one of which is old AF) and on Linux. I've yet to have problem…

Firefox has significant performance and correctness problems. * Multi-second UI jank/freeze ( https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1546847 ) * HTTP2 is broken, infinite-stalls and internal errors surface if you upload enough files ( https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1540574 ) * WebGL is very slow on Linux ( https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1010527 ) * High CPU on Linux even when in the…

I've certainly had something equivalent to the first one in Chrome frequently, seemingly when it's waiting for an unresponsive child process, often when closing a tab. It won't lock up as the UI seems to be separated from the other processes well enough to allow it to keep rendering loading animations etc. However every part of the browser will stop functioning including showing any tab content or opening any menu, for 10s of seconds at a time.

I've also had Chrome destroy my browser profile completely many times. It will start up and say something like 'your profile was unrecoverably corrupted and has been deleted'

Both are very complex pieces of software with lots of bugs.

Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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> Ok, then it could be played a little harder, for example by introducing a (small) performance penality for visitors that use chrome. Good luck convincing your product owner of the necessity of that change. Most large enterprises won't do something like this.

That's not the place to target such a change, if anyone's to do it. If there's the support of a major maintainer of a popular library, merging changes which incrementally incur larger performance penalties in Blink may be more effective. If there's no support from a major maintainer, then simply writing contributions which are largely tested in firefox for performance but are tested in Blink for mere functionality sh…

> If there's the support of a major maintainer of a popular library, merging changes which incrementally incur larger performance penalties in Blink may be more effective.

That library will get forked by industry.

If its license does not permit forking, it's incredibly unlikely that it can get traction in the first place.

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