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Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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Post by brlewis »

kumarvvr wrote: post #667
sakisv wrote: post #600

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> Was it really just to become the world's most comprehensive search engine? Hell no, it was to get people into the ecosystem and to stay there, and be content with doing so. >Chrome is the same thing. Why would a for-profit company develop a web browser more or less unprompted and give it away for free? To draw people into the system and get them comfortable with staying there. I think you're giving them too much cr…

> I think you're giving them too much credit, bordering on a conspiracy theory. There's no way they knew all of this would happen and that they would now be in the position to dictate the plug-ins we use. Think about it. The time when Chrome came around, Firefox was poised to become the dominant player in the market, barring Safari, which was big on mobile but small on traditional desktops. To some extent, Mozilla de…

Alternate motivation: People stay engaged on the web more when pages are faster. One thing that makes pages faster is a faster browser. When people stay engaged on the web more, Google makes more money. Chrome's initial big selling point was being faster.

Disclaimer: ex-googler.

Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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Post by lern_too_spel »

benatkin wrote: post #320
Zelphyr wrote: post #278

I’ve been hesitant to agree with calls in the past to break Google up, but now it’s time. This is Google choosing what’s best for their investors over what’s right for the community. This is Google doing evil.

I found your comment grayed out. I think the Google downvote brigade is out in full force. Your comment may contain no information but it's the opinion of someone who hangs out on HN regularly!

I downvoted because it misses the distinction between not doing evil, which Google never claimed, and not being evil. This is Google being evil.

Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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Post by bluescrn »

behringer wrote: post #391
ljm wrote: post #98

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This is why it’s so unfortunate and frustrating that people are depending so much on Chromium/Blink. Electron, various browsers that are just skins over the embedded framework... We were still dealing with legacy IE6 (and IE 7/8 by that point also) in 2013! Almost a decade since we got Firefox and the first version of Chrome. The web has empirically suffered through homogeneity and the lack of strong competitors in t…

If it doesn't work in Firefox I don't use it. I've been using Firefox for as long as I can remember, probably shortly after it was made and Netscape died. And would never use Chrome. Chrome users are now going to be betrayed and just didn't see it coming. I look forward to Firefox' upcoming rebound which I have every faith this news will spur on.

Firefox plugins are signed and quite tightly controlled, very easily blocked or banned for business or political reasons.

While there are workarounds to install/run plugins locally, they have been made quite inconvenient and inaccessible to the average user, as seen a few weeks ago with the expired certificate incident

Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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Post by brlewis »

amelius wrote: post #289
ljm wrote: post #98

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This is why it’s so unfortunate and frustrating that people are depending so much on Chromium/Blink. Electron, various browsers that are just skins over the embedded framework... We were still dealing with legacy IE6 (and IE 7/8 by that point also) in 2013! Almost a decade since we got Firefox and the first version of Chrome. The web has empirically suffered through homogeneity and the lack of strong competitors in t…

> “Only works in Chrome,” is poor engineering for anything more than a prototype or proof of concept. Can't we, developers, do the opposite? Like introduce a small annoyance, like showing a pop-up, when visitors use Chrome? It could say something like "today is free web day, upgrade your browser to Firefox or any other libre browser"

You could make use of features that work in Firefox but don't yet work in Chrome, such as SVG favicons and position: sticky (Chrome supports but only on th elements)

There's probably a way to compile a list of such features from caniuse data.

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Post by tomjuggler »

jachee wrote: post #502
technofiend wrote: post #496

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Time to build a Pi Hole since iOS Firefox doesn’t allow extensions.

You don't even have to dedicate a pi to it. If you've got Docker, you can run it in a container: https://github.com/pi-hole/docker-pi-hole

Or in docker on a pi..

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Post by gzimhelshani »

SimonPStevens wrote: post #727

I say this all the time when this kind of thing comes up. Please use Firefox! Even if it's worse. Even if its slower[1]. Even if it doesn't have that one feature or bug fix that you personally consider really important. Just use Firefox anyway. Find a workaround. Suffer whatever it is you dislike about Firefox because in the end if we don't act as individuals against the chrome monopoly then google are going to own t…

what do you think about the new Edge browser from Microsoft, its based on Chromium. So you would get most benefits of chrome but its from Microsoft, which personally, I trust more than I trust Google.

Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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Post by nerdponx »

bubblewrap wrote: post #599
nerdponx wrote: post #581

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Why do people act like this is all some great big accident, the result of eternal human fallibility? It's not. This was planned. It was the objective all along. Why else do you think Google Maps is free? Gmail? Why did they drive around 1,000s of cities with cameras on a car taking photos for Street View? Was it really just to become the world's most comprehensive search engine? Hell no, it was to get people into the…

"because sucking you into the ecosystem is just that profitable." Nevertheless, they offer good products. I'm not sure the negativity is really warranted. I've yet to hear about a case of anybody being hurt by Google collecting data to them and serving ads?

You hear about it all the time, you just don't (or choose not to) recognize it as hurt.
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