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Intel Announces 8 Core I9-9900KS: Every Core at 5Ghz, All the Time

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Re: Intel Announces 8 Core I9-9900KS: Every Core at 5Ghz, All the Time

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

gameswithgo wrote: post #106
phpnode wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've seen a number of comments like this over the last few days and I don't really get it, gamers use the internet right? Vast overwhelming majority of them are going to be running javascript programs hundreds of times per day

sure, and maybe browsers or os need some way to say “running untrusted code please turn off performance for a sec” for that use case. until then ill just use one tab at a time or disable js before i opt in for slow.

I expect that the vast majority of PC gamers keep Javascript enabled in their browsers.

Re: Intel Announces 8 Core I9-9900KS: Every Core at 5Ghz, All the Time

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Post by randallsquared »

pfortuny wrote: post #118
bayindirh wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because intel strictly forbids publishing benchmarks of their processors with the "hardware vulnerability mitigations" applied. Even OEMs cannot show them to their enterprise customers. You can do your own benchmarking after buying the systems. So, no money, no real-world benchmarking.

And you have to abide by those unjust rules because... ?

No free hardware for reviewing, and having to wait until the hardware is available to the general public, so every other site has scooped you.

Re: Intel Announces 8 Core I9-9900KS: Every Core at 5Ghz, All the Time

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Post by bayindirh »

pfortuny wrote: post #118
bayindirh wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because intel strictly forbids publishing benchmarks of their processors with the "hardware vulnerability mitigations" applied. Even OEMs cannot show them to their enterprise customers. You can do your own benchmarking after buying the systems. So, no money, no real-world benchmarking.

And you have to abide by those unjust rules because... ?

...you sign a legally binding NDA to be able to early-access the CPUs, test & review them; get the semi-classified technical documents to develop your new servers.

If you don't sign that NDA you can't buy the CPUs from intel to resell them. Even if you are able to buy the CPUs from them, there's no guarantee that you'll buy from the list price or get the discounts for big, prestige projects which require tenders.

It's a deep and ugly rabbit hole.

Re: Intel Announces 8 Core I9-9900KS: Every Core at 5Ghz, All the Time

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

vbezhenar wrote: post #77
dgacmu wrote: post #50

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Intel was ahead, and hit the wall first. Apple & AMD are not ahead, they're just catching up. I don't want to understate how big a problem that could be for Intel, of course. But they're also doing it on low margin parts, and Intel continues to make bank with their data center parts. I don't think any of this represents a short-term problem for Intel, other than the general downturn in processor sales because fewer p…

Apple sold millions of iPhones with 7nm chips while Intel struggles to build comparable 10nm chips and keeps releasing 14+++ nm. AMD will release 7nm chips very soon. It does not seem like they are catching up. Quite the opposite.

And iPhones still don't come close to competing with desktop-class processors in terms of performance. iPhones also use much less electricity, of course, but the point remains.

I don't know enough about this, but the GP's argument of "Intel hit the wall first because they were the first to reach that level of performance" makes logical sense to me.

Re: Intel Announces 8 Core I9-9900KS: Every Core at 5Ghz, All the Time

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Post by wtallis »

bayindirh wrote: post #115
ksec wrote: post #39

I used to be Pro Anandtech and consider them one of the best Sources online for Hardware News. But the fact they have yet write a single post, big or small about Intel's Zombieload and its implication on performance worries me a bit. Then there is the "Intel" benchmarks as usual [1] on GPU. Trying to suggest the 2 CPU were both running at 25W TDP to give a "fair" comparison, without mentioning the Ice-Lake U CPU were…

Because intel strictly forbids publishing benchmarks of their processors with the "hardware vulnerability mitigations" applied. Even OEMs cannot show them to their enterprise customers. You can do your own benchmarking after buying the systems. So, no money, no real-world benchmarking.

Intel has never told AnandTech not to benchmark their microcode updates or a third party's OS updates. They haven't threatened to stop sampling CPUs for review. I haven't seen any evidence that Intel has ever attempted to enforce such a restriction against anyone. It's just a stupid clause that one of their dumber lawyers slipped into the EULA text, and does not appear to be something they actually care about at an organizational level or expect to be able to enforce in the real world.

Re: Intel Announces 8 Core I9-9900KS: Every Core at 5Ghz, All the Time

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Post by craftyguy »

wtallis wrote: post #125
bayindirh wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because intel strictly forbids publishing benchmarks of their processors with the "hardware vulnerability mitigations" applied. Even OEMs cannot show them to their enterprise customers. You can do your own benchmarking after buying the systems. So, no money, no real-world benchmarking.

Intel has never told AnandTech not to benchmark their microcode updates or a third party's OS updates. They haven't threatened to stop sampling CPUs for review. I haven't seen any evidence that Intel has ever attempted to enforce such a restriction against anyone . It's just a stupid clause that one of their dumber lawyers slipped into the EULA text, and does not appear to be something they actually care about at an…

Do you work for Anandtech? If not, what are you basing these claims on? I suspect that Anandtech, etc would not publicly disclose if a hardware manufacturer was forbidding them from benchmarking certain configurations under threat of not releasing samples..

Re: Intel Announces 8 Core I9-9900KS: Every Core at 5Ghz, All the Time

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Post by dogma1138 »

Most 9900K can hit 5.0 all core OC for non-AVX loads.

With AVX 4.8-4.9 is still doable without hitting the top 30% of CPUs in the CPU lottery.

My 9900K does 5.1 without any AVX offset but this is a top 10-20% CPU if the figures form Silicon Lottery are to be believed.

So it’s not that surprising Intel can simply bin CPUs to do 5.0 at near stock voltages since many resellers have been doing just that.

Re: Intel Announces 8 Core I9-9900KS: Every Core at 5Ghz, All the Time

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Post by ChickeNES »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #121
gameswithgo wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

sure, and maybe browsers or os need some way to say “running untrusted code please turn off performance for a sec” for that use case. until then ill just use one tab at a time or disable js before i opt in for slow.

I expect that the vast majority of PC gamers keep Javascript enabled in their browsers.

CS:GO also uses JS for its new GUI, and there's already been one exploit that took advantage of it.

Re: Intel Announces 8 Core I9-9900KS: Every Core at 5Ghz, All the Time

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Post by wtallis »

craftyguy wrote: post #126
wtallis wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Intel has never told AnandTech not to benchmark their microcode updates or a third party's OS updates. They haven't threatened to stop sampling CPUs for review. I haven't seen any evidence that Intel has ever attempted to enforce such a restriction against anyone . It's just a stupid clause that one of their dumber lawyers slipped into the EULA text, and does not appear to be something they actually care about at an…

Do you work for Anandtech? If not, what are you basing these claims on? I suspect that Anandtech, etc would not publicly disclose if a hardware manufacturer was forbidding them from benchmarking certain configurations under threat of not releasing samples..

Yes, I write for AnandTech (paid as an independent contractor; I'm not one of the salaried editors). I've done some Spectre/Meltdown regression testing for AnandTech, and I've never been instructed to not do such testing in the future.

Microcode benchmarking is not the hill Intel wants to die on.

Re: Intel Announces 8 Core I9-9900KS: Every Core at 5Ghz, All the Time

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Post by clarry »

kitchenkarma wrote: post #52
ac130kz wrote: post #16

Some of the 9900K chips are able to push 5.2Ghz, this is not a proper answer to the AMD's new lineup

I have one constantly pushing 5.1Ghz (disabled speedstep etc. been stable for months). I bought it because there was no comparable AMD cpu and as far as I know AMD is still behind. Why do you think it is not a proper answer?

I think by AMD's new lineup they're referring to Ryzen 3000 series, which isn't out yet. If the rumors are true, the top models come with 12 to 16 cores, higher IPC and higher clocks than the current Zens, pushing 5GHz boost.

A current 9900K might be some 20%-30% faster than a current Zen, but it will no longer be so when with the new lineup.

Meanwhile mitigations are eating up Intel's performance advantage..

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