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Intel Announces 8 Core I9-9900KS: Every Core at 5Ghz, All the Time

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Re: Intel Announces 8 Core I9-9900KS: Every Core at 5Ghz, All the Time

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Besides cloud providers running VMs /containers on the cloud, is Spectre/Meltdown really such an issue for day-to-day consumers ?

Yes. I think this is a common misconception. These attacks work fine in the browser, as researchers continue to show. They allow complete bypass of any native app sandboxing layers. Surely you don't run everything on your box as root all the time.

I'll keep HT on because I use NoScript and I encourage others to do the same.

Re: Intel Announces 8 Core I9-9900KS: Every Core at 5Ghz, All the Time

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Some of the 9900K chips are able to push 5.2Ghz, this is not a proper answer to the AMD's new lineup

I have one constantly pushing 5.1Ghz (disabled speedstep etc. been stable for months). I bought it because there was no comparable AMD cpu and as far as I know AMD is still behind. Why do you think it is not a proper answer?

Re: Intel Announces 8 Core I9-9900KS: Every Core at 5Ghz, All the Time

#53

Intel has fallen so far. It's honestly a shame to watch at this point. I remember back when Sandy Bridge was first released, and I was extremely pleased by the performance improvements my new chip was able to provide. Did they really manage to mess everything up within such a limited timespan? Or was there just always a hidden incompetence that never showed itself until now?

And yet they still have the lion's share of the market. And the money to eventually recover from this as if nothing happened.

Tell me when they have really fallen. Still very far from it.

Re: Intel Announces 8 Core I9-9900KS: Every Core at 5Ghz, All the Time

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Why 5 Hz all the time? I'd love to have such an extremely powerful CPU but I'd actually appreciate if it could downclock itself automatically and stay as cold as possible whenever I don't need it's full power. Some times I run heavy computations and having 8 5Hz cores sounds great but most of the time I just read or write something so even 1000 Hz sounds an overkill.

Re: Intel Announces 8 Core I9-9900KS: Every Core at 5Ghz, All the Time

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I don't get it. If it has an all-core frequency of 5GHz, doesn't that mean they've left some single-core boost on the table? Or have they hit some other limit and this part is basically free of thermal limits?

Knowing nothing can reduce performance from peak can be more valuable than an extra 4%

Re: Intel Announces 8 Core I9-9900KS: Every Core at 5Ghz, All the Time

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It's not Intel, it's the end of Moore's law. Intel's problem is that they are not well positioned to capitalize on the specialized processors that will be required to continue ekeing out advances for the next decade or two before we're entirely up a creek. :)

From how Apple and AMD are doing with their own processors though, it seems like Intel is just fundamentally doing worse even as things become more difficult with smaller transistor sizes. Apple is going to replace Intel with their own processors because Intel has failed to meet requirements. AMD, with a shoestring budget basically on the verge of bankruptcy the entire time they were doing their R&D, managed to build…

Are they doing worse? Or are they still ahead, just not as far ahead as they used to be?

I wouldn't expect any massive leads in any industry to last for long. This might just be regression to the mean.

Re: Intel Announces 8 Core I9-9900KS: Every Core at 5Ghz, All the Time

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I used to be Pro Anandtech and consider them one of the best Sources online for Hardware News. But the fact they have yet write a single post, big or small about Intel's Zombieload and its implication on performance worries me a bit. Then there is the "Intel" benchmarks as usual [1] on GPU. Trying to suggest the 2 CPU were both running at 25W TDP to give a "fair" comparison, without mentioning the Ice-Lake U CPU were…

It's not just Anandtech.

I feel like the entire "PC enthusiast" review space has dropped the ball on hardware vulnerabilities. Reevaluating performance between microcode and OS patches is an afterthought, and when a new CPU hits the market the numbers are presented without the obvious disclaimer that these performance gains may evaporate within months.

Some even perpetuate the "only relevant to datacenter" myth despite the fact that security researchers have shown to be able to exploit these vulnerabilities with JavaScript in the browser.

Re: Intel Announces 8 Core I9-9900KS: Every Core at 5Ghz, All the Time

#59

Why 5 Hz all the time? I'd love to have such an extremely powerful CPU but I'd actually appreciate if it could downclock itself automatically and stay as cold as possible whenever I don't need it's full power. Some times I run heavy computations and having 8 5Hz cores sounds great but most of the time I just read or write something so even 1000 Hz sounds an overkill.

I don't think that's how it works. The CPU can adjust it's frequency through a much larger range, the base clock is not the minimum frequency it will run at all the time.

(I agree, it's confusing.)

https://ianhowson.com/blog/cpu-clock-rates-are-meaningless-n...

Re: Intel Announces 8 Core I9-9900KS: Every Core at 5Ghz, All the Time

#60

Why 5 Hz all the time? I'd love to have such an extremely powerful CPU but I'd actually appreciate if it could downclock itself automatically and stay as cold as possible whenever I don't need it's full power. Some times I run heavy computations and having 8 5Hz cores sounds great but most of the time I just read or write something so even 1000 Hz sounds an overkill.

Base frequency isn't the same as lowest frequency (ya... it's weird). Base frequency is vaguely related to the idea that if you had all cores running at the base frequency, you would run just about at the system's TDP (it's really a complete mess, this is a simplification). Your system can still drop CPU cores down to 400-800MHz in low energy states.

What this announcement is basically saying is that Intel now has a 8 core chip where all 8 cores can run at 5GHz indefinitely "out of the box".

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