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The Huawei Disaster Reveals Google’s Iron Grip on Android

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Re: The Huawei Disaster Reveals Google’s Iron Grip on Android

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China is shifting its factories to Africa, eventually growing a market there. It won't matter what apps irrelevant markets like North America or Europe want while the rest is using Chinese services.

That's interesting. Do you have any more info on where they are putting those factories?

Everywhere from Nigeria to Lesotho basically.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/35288650-the-next-factor...

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Google invested Billions into Android. Samsung tried to hedge for this by building Tizen(Bada) and realized how much needed to be invested to get an Android competitor going, so they kept the development going, but focused for their Smartwatches, as this would have to be a "if the worst happens" plan, not something that could be a profitable venture. LG has the Palm/HP borne WebOS for their TVs, i suspect with a simi…

I wonder at what point it makes sense for Samsung, HP, Huawei, LG etc. to get together to make another OS... they sell a lot of phones across the globe. Hell, even include Microsoft in there too.

If those companies were interested in investing the billions required for such a venture, they wouldn’t have gotten into this situation in the first place.

Re: The Huawei Disaster Reveals Google’s Iron Grip on Android

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Jolla did and failed.

Well, Jolla was a meme company. The best shot a normal Linux had on mobile was during N9 era, and late Meegos. After that things went sour: - GTK+/glib dev community began to wither simply because of older members retiring, and no new blood - DRM flamewar with record labels - Android diverted a great amount of community resources - Monopolisation of smartphone SoC market. - Elop...

RIP the late Meego OS. Im still salty with how Nokia murder it. Its like a healthy beautiful baby just born and then the parent buried it alive to focus on their terminally ill older brother.

However, the parents cant handle the debt and commit suicide, entrusting older brother to his rich uncle. Sure enough, the older bro didnt live long either. After a long coma, the plug was pulled on the older brother's life. Even his rich uncle cant save him.

What a waste of resource

Re: The Huawei Disaster Reveals Google’s Iron Grip on Android

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It is not an accident that successful tech companies that provide devices for their users control their own destiny from the hardware to the UI level, great examples Apple, Microsoft. You can team up with Google but then your destiny is controlled by them.

Re: The Huawei Disaster Reveals Google’s Iron Grip on Android

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Does it reveal Google's iron grip on Android ? Really ? I'd say it rather reveals most users' unhealthy addiction to Google's services, without which, this whole thing wouldn't be the 'tragedy' and wake up call it's turning out to be for many. I have used Android for a decade now completely Google-free and no one could pay me enough money to be tracked and to run pure spyware 24/7 at this point... I enjoy immensely h…

Could you share your current phone model and OS?

I use several devices, lately usually HTC or SONY. I run my own build based on a barebones cleaned up LineageOS ( no Lineage applications or many libraries ), just need the core OS and monthly security patches up to date. Applications are my own binaries, packages available through Termux, and from developers either through F-Droid, GitHub or XDA forums.

I only need LTE and very rarely WiFi, so Bluetooth and NFC if available on device are disabled and neutered. Devices are encrypted but hold no data other than that in use, all data is always kept on external encrypted cards, and those go up to a tera now, so no issues even with large, very large files. Makes no sense to me that people tie data to a device, be it laptop, smartphone, tablet or desktop.

The 'phone' part is just for emergencies; police, ambulance, that sort of thing. Otherwise even a mid-range device works as a fully fledged laptop substitute for me, can be my main computer, and has for years.

Edit : Most of what I use is open source, and no adware, spyware, analytics, or crash reporters anywhere on my system. The current software business model based on data mining needs to die. Also, a decent web browser does, and better, what 90% of so-called 'apps' do.

Re: The Huawei Disaster Reveals Google’s Iron Grip on Android

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post #117

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It is certainly a national security issue for China (and the world) to see that the US Government is able to 'flip the switch' on so many critical tech so easily.

Sure. But for South Korea and Japan it's less so; those nations already take a national security posture that leaves them exposed if the US were to turn against them.

South Korea and Japan have been allies of the US for quite a long time and have zero reason to think that would ever change.

Re: The Huawei Disaster Reveals Google’s Iron Grip on Android

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post #72

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Isn’t Android open source? So why can’t Huawei simply fork it?

Google has spent the last decade cutting apart the open part of Android and making it more and more proprietary. Launcher, Phone app, Messages, Contacts, Calendar. All proprietary. Notification API, Location API, SMS APIs and step counter APIs, and even the new app format. All proprietary. It's a huge undertaking building an app for Android today without using Google's services, and sometimes even impossible. If you…

so google is pretty much oracle?

Re: The Huawei Disaster Reveals Google’s Iron Grip on Android

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Google invested Billions into Android. Samsung tried to hedge for this by building Tizen(Bada) and realized how much needed to be invested to get an Android competitor going, so they kept the development going, but focused for their Smartwatches, as this would have to be a "if the worst happens" plan, not something that could be a profitable venture. LG has the Palm/HP borne WebOS for their TVs, i suspect with a simi…

It’s possible that Google cutting off Huawei will actually backfire, because it makes having a viable alternative to Android a MUST HAVE instead of just NICE TO HAVE. Perhaps it’s possible to resurrect Blackberry 10 ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BlackBerry_10 ) for example, which seemed to be an impressive piece of engineering that got trampled by Blackberrys failing business. I played with a demo once that could…

>It’s possible that Google cutting off Huawei will actually backfire, because it makes having a viable alternative to Android a MUST HAVE instead of just NICE TO HAVE.

I got the impression that the United States forced their hand.

Re: The Huawei Disaster Reveals Google’s Iron Grip on Android

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Google invested Billions into Android. Samsung tried to hedge for this by building Tizen(Bada) and realized how much needed to be invested to get an Android competitor going, so they kept the development going, but focused for their Smartwatches, as this would have to be a "if the worst happens" plan, not something that could be a profitable venture. LG has the Palm/HP borne WebOS for their TVs, i suspect with a simi…

It’s possible that Google cutting off Huawei will actually backfire, because it makes having a viable alternative to Android a MUST HAVE instead of just NICE TO HAVE. Perhaps it’s possible to resurrect Blackberry 10 ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BlackBerry_10 ) for example, which seemed to be an impressive piece of engineering that got trampled by Blackberrys failing business. I played with a demo once that could…

I have both an S9 and a BlackBerry Q10 on me every day. The BB10 OS, even though its now defunct, was designed in a way that it is FAR easier and more practical to use. I really, really hate the Android interface as a result.

1: BlackBerry hub is a lot nicer to view messages

2: Smart use of Bezel gestures makes it much easier to actually interact with the phone:

-If you want to access the hub while using an app, you take your thumb from the bottom of the screen and swipe up and to the right. The interface is very forgiving of where you swipe, you can do it without even looking, yet you wont accidentally do it either. If you don't want to fully enter the hub and just take a peak without leaving your app, just do a partial swipe.

-If you want to view all your running apps, you swipe up from the bottom of the screen to the middle of the screen, and voila , you get a tile arrangement of your running apps (easier to view than a Rolodex), as well as phone and camera access. And you are also less likely to lose track of what windows you have open. I find lots of peoples android phones have like 30 windows open - this is a fault of its interface.

-If you want to access your apps, swipe up from bottom bezel (shows running apps), and then swipe left, now you can view all your other apps.

-Every app is expected to have its settings menu accessible by swiping down from the top bezel.

There are no silly little cumbersome function buttons at the bottom like Android has (the back/home/apps buttons). Smart use of bezel gestures make this unnecessary.

Everything can be accessed easily in a simple, comfortable gesture with your thumb. As a result, it is a lot faster to use day in day out. And it is not as cluttered as Android.

I am sad the whole world chose Android. It's a crappy interface.

Re: The Huawei Disaster Reveals Google’s Iron Grip on Android

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I think Windows Phone has shown that "Google/Alphabet/YT would make apps for that platform too" is far from true.

Why and how? You can look at the difference between iOS and WP. Since iOS was a big market Google wanted [and wants] to be in they made the YT app. And since WP was small and late to the game Google had the upper hand, because MS wanted any users more than G wanted the small number of WP users. https://www.theverge.com/2013/5/7/4308662/youtube-windows-ph... Therefore if there were a credible new platform that Google…

and only a few months later, this happened: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/appsblog/2013/aug/15/...

After August 2013, there was never an official YouTube app for Windows Phone.

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