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The Huawei Disaster Reveals Google’s Iron Grip on Android

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Isn’t Android open source? So why can’t Huawei simply fork it?

I think the main issue is the play store is off limits i.e. no existing android apps

The play store is not the sole way to distribute apps. You can download the .apk files, or get them by mail, or use another play store that has the same apps. The play store is just a repository of some apps.

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Jolla did and failed.

Well, Jolla was a meme company. The best shot a normal Linux had on mobile was during N9 era, and late Meegos. After that things went sour: - GTK+/glib dev community began to wither simply because of older members retiring, and no new blood - DRM flamewar with record labels - Android diverted a great amount of community resources - Monopolisation of smartphone SoC market. - Elop...

Not Elop really. The Nokia board had already decided to sell to MSFT and brought in Elop to do it. If the N9 hadn't been delayed by years, things could have gone very differently. In retrospect, the biggest surprise was that the years delayed N9 actually turned out to be very good. Extremely delayed products are more often bad than good when they are finally released.

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Isn’t Android open source? So why can’t Huawei simply fork it?

Google has spent the last decade cutting apart the open part of Android and making it more and more proprietary. Launcher, Phone app, Messages, Contacts, Calendar. All proprietary. Notification API, Location API, SMS APIs and step counter APIs, and even the new app format. All proprietary. It's a huge undertaking building an app for Android today without using Google's services, and sometimes even impossible. If you…

> Google has spent the last decade cutting apart the open part of Android and making it more and more proprietary.

Replacing those bits is still less work than writing your own entire OS. There are even open source projects to replace those bits.

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I believe there is something called the legal system? Which companies or people can use to challenge government decisions, if they don't like them. And they can at least openly express their concerns. But I do not see that hapoening, so something (or quite a lot) is going on behind the scene.

The judicial system is for challenging the interpretation of the law. Changing the law is a different process.

Yes. But banning Huawei is a interpretation, right?

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I think the main issue is the play store is off limits i.e. no existing android apps

The play store is not the sole way to distribute apps. You can download the .apk files, or get them by mail, or use another play store that has the same apps. The play store is just a repository of some apps.

I believe the Play store is treated 'special' though - F-Droid can't install apps in the same way unless you're rooted and install the priv-app.

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This was always China's desire, to basically build home grown tech's that could replace the ones they were using from the west. Unless the Chinese government mandates use of a single os (no android) in the domestic market then it won't work, if they do then they still don't have a viable os for the rest of the world because the rest of the world wants google, facebook and other apps which are banned in china. Faceboo…

China is shifting its factories to Africa, eventually growing a market there. It won't matter what apps irrelevant markets like North America or Europe want while the rest is using Chinese services.

That's interesting. Do you have any more info on where they are putting those factories?

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Is it about security? Because Trump is saying he wants to have a deal with Huawei now... Or is it about the trade deficit? In which case Korean and Japanese manufacturers are not safe from prosecution.

It is certainly a national security issue for China (and the world) to see that the US Government is able to 'flip the switch' on so many critical tech so easily.

Sure. But for South Korea and Japan it's less so; those nations already take a national security posture that leaves them exposed if the US were to turn against them.

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The article links to an interesting view on how even AOSP is a no-go for Huawei: https://www.xda-developers.com/analysis-huawei-aosp-google-b... What I find interesting is that Apache Licensed software can be relicensed even in proprietary form (as long as you make it a derivative work, with your derivative bits with a proprietary license), thus the easy way out seems to be to have a non-US entity make a proprietary…

QNX isn't US based, it's canadian.

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I for one have been using a Honor (Huawei) phone for over 3 months with DNSFilter app running 24x7. Blocked all google domains after I installed the necessary apps from playstore. I don't see any problems if google shuts of Honor/Huawei devices permanently. I'd say it will be a benefit of Honor/Huawei phones. It will be the most privacy friendly phone out of the box.

Edit- I use Newpipe instead of Youtube. So thats the alternative for the last google service I'd need everyday.

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