Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

The Huawei Disaster Reveals Google’s Iron Grip on Android

onezero.medium.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

101–110 of 355 posts

Re: The Huawei Disaster Reveals Google’s Iron Grip on Android

#101

Post by AnonymousPlanet »

dageshi wrote: post #64
NotPaidToPost wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is different from Korean manufacturers this time. This is China caught in a national security issue. - China has a huge domestic market and it may be sufficient in itself for a profitable venture - About half of Android phones are manufactured by Chinese brands. - China has deep pockets and are willing to play the long game. - They have no choice. Trump's used the nuclear option, which may well work in the short…

This was always China's desire, to basically build home grown tech's that could replace the ones they were using from the west. Unless the Chinese government mandates use of a single os (no android) in the domestic market then it won't work, if they do then they still don't have a viable os for the rest of the world because the rest of the world wants google, facebook and other apps which are banned in china. Faceboo…

China is shifting its factories to Africa, eventually growing a market there. It won't matter what apps irrelevant markets like North America or Europe want while the rest is using Chinese services.

Re: The Huawei Disaster Reveals Google’s Iron Grip on Android

#102

Post by Tsubasachan »

NotPaidToPost wrote: post #11
Roritharr wrote: post #9

Google invested Billions into Android. Samsung tried to hedge for this by building Tizen(Bada) and realized how much needed to be invested to get an Android competitor going, so they kept the development going, but focused for their Smartwatches, as this would have to be a "if the worst happens" plan, not something that could be a profitable venture. LG has the Palm/HP borne WebOS for their TVs, i suspect with a simi…

This is different from Korean manufacturers this time. This is China caught in a national security issue. - China has a huge domestic market and it may be sufficient in itself for a profitable venture - About half of Android phones are manufactured by Chinese brands. - China has deep pockets and are willing to play the long game. - They have no choice. Trump's used the nuclear option, which may well work in the short…

Is it about security? Because Trump is saying he wants to have a deal with Huawei now...

Or is it about the trade deficit? In which case Korean and Japanese manufacturers are not safe from prosecution.

Re: The Huawei Disaster Reveals Google’s Iron Grip on Android

#103

Post by Ultramanoid »

Does it reveal Google's iron grip on Android ?

Really ?

I'd say it rather reveals most users' unhealthy addiction to Google's services, without which, this whole thing wouldn't be the 'tragedy' and wake up call it's turning out to be for many.

I have used Android for a decade now completely Google-free and no one could pay me enough money to be tracked and to run pure spyware 24/7 at this point... I enjoy immensely having a laptop replacement always on, always with me, in my pocket. No use for Play Services, advertising companies data mining all I do at all times, or 27, 42 or 59 'social media' applications running to give purpose to my life and 'communicate' with my 'friends'...

File manager, web browser, terminal, editor, LTE... That's what I need or care about. I guess not many of us left.

Re: The Huawei Disaster Reveals Google’s Iron Grip on Android

#105

Post by cosarara »

necovek wrote: post #52

The article links to an interesting view on how even AOSP is a no-go for Huawei: https://www.xda-developers.com/analysis-huawei-aosp-google-b... What I find interesting is that Apache Licensed software can be relicensed even in proprietary form (as long as you make it a derivative work, with your derivative bits with a proprietary license), thus the easy way out seems to be to have a non-US entity make a proprietary…

Once you are completely blocked from doing business, what do you lose by infringing copyright?

Re: The Huawei Disaster Reveals Google’s Iron Grip on Android

#106

Post by majia »

mervchan wrote: post #84
dagw wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's part of the US/China trade war. Trump believed the existing tariff situation with China was unfair and wanted to negotiate a new trade deal. When negotiations failed he started to implement a bunch of tariffs and trade restrictions on chines goods and companies to try to force their hand. This is just a part of that 'negotiation' strategy. Google, Arm etc. don't want to stop doing business with Huawei (since doi…

China has disallowed their citizens from using Google, Netflix, Instagram, but everyone's up in arms over Trump stopping the US from doing business with Huawei. I really don't understand this. https://www.vpnmentor.com/blog/the-complete-list-of-blocked-...

China only bans foreign companies in its domestic markets. Trump is dictating whom third parties can do business with. For example, European firms have to cut normal business ties with huawei, otherwise they will be sanctioned by the US. And the US isn't paying for the cost of breaking their contract with Huawei.

Re: The Huawei Disaster Reveals Google’s Iron Grip on Android

#107

Post by NotPaidToPost »

Tsubasachan wrote: post #102
NotPaidToPost wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is different from Korean manufacturers this time. This is China caught in a national security issue. - China has a huge domestic market and it may be sufficient in itself for a profitable venture - About half of Android phones are manufactured by Chinese brands. - China has deep pockets and are willing to play the long game. - They have no choice. Trump's used the nuclear option, which may well work in the short…

Is it about security? Because Trump is saying he wants to have a deal with Huawei now... Or is it about the trade deficit? In which case Korean and Japanese manufacturers are not safe from prosecution.

It is certainly a national security issue for China (and the world) to see that the US Government is able to 'flip the switch' on so many critical tech so easily.

Re: The Huawei Disaster Reveals Google’s Iron Grip on Android

#108

Post by RhodesianHunter »

DeonPenny wrote: post #54
pizza wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Makes me think whoever comes up with a mainstreamed way to do cross-platform mobile apps in Python will easily capture a large share of recent college grads, too, then.

The did and called it kotlin. Those people were Google and Jetbrain.

Except Kotlin isn't Python, it's Java with modern syntax and coroutines.

Re: The Huawei Disaster Reveals Google’s Iron Grip on Android

#109

Post by StringyBob »

tech6 wrote: post #39

Can someone explained what happened recently to cause such aggressive action against Huawei with ARM , Google etc refusing to work with them. Is it related to arrest of their executive recently ?

It's not the companies choosing - it's the law. An executive order by Trump. Issued on May 15th with immediate effect.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-or...

https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/23/18637836/trump-huawei-ban...

Here's a good video explainer from that verge article: https://youtu.be/DZbSHXSxch0

Re: The Huawei Disaster Reveals Google’s Iron Grip on Android

#110

Post by deng »

masklinn wrote: post #81
fulafel wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is the article really right in this one? " A country banning its resident companies from engaging in contracts with a specific company breaks how our copyright system works, and as a result, breaks how open source licenses work. -- If Huawei cannot enter into a contract with Google, then they cannot enter into the Apache 2.0 licensing agreement with Google, which means that they would not have a license to distribute…

Software licenses are contracts.

> Software licenses are contracts.

As lawyers usually say: it depends.

https://lwn.net/Articles/747563/

Post reply on HN