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Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by JimDabell » Wed, May 22, 2019, 1:22 PM UTC

Mindwipe wrote: post #460

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> this is the 4th generation of these keyboards--and Apple promised that the 2nd and 3rd generation would fix these as well. I don't think is true is it? I think this was just an assumption people made.

Leaked Apple service documents did say that the intent of the latest gen was to fix the reliability problems, so I don't think it's just an assumption.

A leaked internal document is a far cry from "Apple promised" though. If they wanted to make a public commitment, they would have done.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by gilbetron » Wed, May 22, 2019, 1:28 PM UTC

muyuu wrote: post #653

gilbetron wrote: post #74

After 8 years of macbooks, after using the 2018 model, I switched to a Dell Precision 5530 running Ubuntu 18.04 and it is awesome. The hardware is great, and having Unix under it all was the only real reason I liked Macs (used to be hardware, too). Granted, I don't need Adobe stuff, or anything else that doesn't run or have an alternative on Ubuntu (although it is dual-booted with Win10, but I've never used it, just…

Any issues with that model? I'm thinking of doing a similar switch but I really don't want to be fighting driver and compatibility issues.

I was having a one-a-day random lockup, that was fixed by this: https://medium.com/@agathver/nvidia-gpu-optimus-prime-and-ub...

After that, it's been awesome. While inch-for-inch I like Mac trackpads the best, I hated the giant trackpad on the current macbook line, and the Dell trackpad is the right size and probably 95% as good. I don't care too much about not having all of the swipe shortcuts Mac has, so I didn't try to get more working on Ubuntu, but that could be a pain if you are into them. (Ubuntu has two-finger support out of the box that works great).

I was really pleased that closing the screen and opening it works just as well as Macs for suspending and resuming. Win10 does subpar at that.

The UI isn't quite as smooth as Mac, but it is still very smooth and easy. Just like the Dell 5530 isn't as thin as the current Mac, it is totally thin enough. Apple is just polishing for the sake of polishing at this point.

Plus, I have Ubuntu underneath, which makes it awesome for more line of work (software guy, call it "full stack", I do all kinds of stuff, but all Linux-based).

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by pimeys » Wed, May 22, 2019, 2:22 PM UTC

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At least Lenovo just ditched their Touchbar after the disastrous 2nd generation of X1 Carbon, never to be seen again. Also did a mistake with the 2014 series of ThinkPad by removing the mouse buttons due to a bigger touchpad, just to give them back when the users complained enough in 2015. Have to give them credit for that.

I wonder whether they'll turn back on their choice to solder RAM on basically all their ThinkPads... One can only hope.

I really wish. At least the T490 and P-series are still available with replaceable RAM modules.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by swozey » Wed, May 22, 2019, 2:22 PM UTC

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The sad part about this, I thought I'd put together a new Mac Mini as a once a month gaming machine and a daily OSX driver so I didn't have to built an entire gaming desktop. Well there's an absolute ton of issues with external GPUs in bootcamped Windows. So.. that's not even an option.

Yes, it's a bad idea. At that point I'd suggest - getting a console, which probably offers the best price/performance ratio - using something like ASRock's Deskmini A300 which is really affordable and features a GPU capable of light to medium gaming - or use a proper desktop setup if you don't want to cut any corners In any case stick to a proper Windows environment for gaming. My daily driver is a Mac Mini, but for…

Yeah I do build $1500-2500ish gaming PCs every few years. I game a lot less than I did a decade ago, maybe a few times a month, so I wanted OSX around when I wasn't. But I'm done building hackintoshes. I had a really nice one the last 3 years waiting on the Mini to ever (because we gave up) update and it did. I was really excited to use that with OSX as my daily and flip to Windows + egpu when I gamed. I'm glad I looked into it to verify it ran egpus horribly (if at all). I didn't expect there to be any issues with that. Figured it'd be perfect.

So now instead I've got a "gaming" desktop that sits pretty idle and a MBP again.. like usual.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by swozey » Wed, May 22, 2019, 2:24 PM UTC

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I buy $3k laptops. The only time they're not docked is when I'm on a plane or on my couch..

Apparently buying a macbook is like being a battered wife making excuses for her husband. It's sad and unfortunate.

I can guarantee after owning 30+ laptops in my life you won't find one that I consider the perfect match so I'm just to the point where I know what I want and can deal with flaws in other places as long as that one desire is answered. Unfortunately what I want is OSX..

But trust me I've got Amazon open and am ready to swipe right on something new and better whenever it comes along.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by swozey » Wed, May 22, 2019, 2:31 PM UTC

lukestevens wrote: post #458

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Lenovo T480 hackintosh here.

What has the hackintosh experience been like for you?

I personally wouldn't build one again. I've built 4 in my life and my last one was High Sierra (last year is when I stopped using it).

It'll run great (NOT problem free) for 6 months; just enough time to forget everything you learned over the entire weekend you dedicated to initially getting it working, then update or something will break and you have to dive back into the tonyx86/etc rabbit hole for another entire day or an entire weekend.

Look at what he said, it's great when it works. That's the problem.

Stuff will usually still "work" but your video drivers will drop your resolution to 640 and you have to fight with that and try new kexts, sometimes your sound will flake and you'll research how to fix it, etc.

If your time is remotely valuable and you want your personal equipment to just "work" and not have to be tinkered with it's unpleasant.

That's why I was so excited the Mini finally got updates, but that doesn't really work with egpus so I wound up just going back to my MBP.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by swozey » Wed, May 22, 2019, 2:36 PM UTC

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My 2016 is the first MBP where I've felt that. I have huge dents on it and it's in a Thule laptop bag if it's not on my desk. I'm not exactly gentle on my backpack but I never had to concern myself with my old 2015s (had a couple of these). I rarely use it outside of work, I take it home just for emergencies and it sits on my coat rack in the bag. And you know what I'd totally pay $3k for a full on desktop replacemen…

My work-issued 2017 has a visibly crushed corner of the display casing, from dropping my backpack on the floor. My personal 2013 has led a pretty rough life (including a couple of drops), and the sum total of damage over time is... one plastic foot missing.

I'm pretty sure mine has a gnarly corner gash (at the corner of the monitor) from tossing it onto my cars leather seat while its in its padded backpack.. sad.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by wyclif » Wed, May 22, 2019, 2:39 PM UTC

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What does Apple recommend wrt keeping a MBP always plugged in? That's what I do almost all the time, but I'm curious what they say about it.

Battery will last its longest if it's reasonably frequently used. Ultimately if you want the longest battery longevity, keep it between 50% and 85% charged, and keep the machine cool.

Right, obviously heat is an enemy of li-ion batteries. My understanding (and I could be wrong) is that if a MBP is plugged in the power bypasses the battery once it reaches 100% charge, correct?

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by jmull » Wed, May 22, 2019, 2:59 PM UTC

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> If you need a Mac, consider a desktop version (with a SSD!) SSD is undoubtedly the single biggest system performance upgrade in the past 10 years. And we will soon past the halfway point of 2019, Apple is still selling an iMac with 1TB 5400 RPM HDD by default. Apart from AirPod and Apple Watch, there is nothing on the current Apple's product line I am satisfy with.

Thanks for the downvote on what I thought was not even controversial. If we have to discuss whether "SSD is undoubtedly the single biggest system performance upgrade in the past 10 years." is correct then I think we can call it agree to disagree.

It could be one of the other sentiments you expressed.

Personally, I think it makes no sense to complain that some large company is selling an option that you don't want.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by _x5tx » Wed, May 22, 2019, 3:08 PM UTC

gilbetron wrote: post #74

After 8 years of macbooks, after using the 2018 model, I switched to a Dell Precision 5530 running Ubuntu 18.04 and it is awesome. The hardware is great, and having Unix under it all was the only real reason I liked Macs (used to be hardware, too). Granted, I don't need Adobe stuff, or anything else that doesn't run or have an alternative on Ubuntu (although it is dual-booted with Win10, but I've never used it, just…

I recently upgraded my computer at work, and instead of going for a beefier laptop I opted to build an AMD Ryzen 7 2700 machine, and I could never been happier, running Fedora on it is many many times faster than any laptop out there. The build only costed $900 and the specs are far superior than what I would get for a laptop on that price range. Since most of the time I spend at my desk programming I feel it was a good move, and when I have to go to meetings I have my Surface Pro 6 which serves me very well on that purpose.