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Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by ksec »

bazooka_penguin wrote: post #65
nothis wrote: post #46

I checked their store out of curiosity. Switching from 512MB to 1TB SSD: +$400 WHY? This is literally the only thing that bothers me about Apple pricing. I get that you pay for the design, I get the quirks like introducing touch bar, everything. But I don't get why upgrading from a $50 to a $100 SSD adds 400 dollars.

This sort of "upgrade" nickel and diming is true of every laptop vendor, but Apple is definitely one of the worst. It's like their pricing structure is stuck in 2012

To make things worst, out of all the laptop vendor Apple is the only one with their own SSD controller, which is not a small percentage of BOM cost in SSD. And they are one of the few that gets favourable NAND pricing due to the volume they move with iPhone and iPad.

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Post by bayareanative »

gilbetron wrote: post #74

After 8 years of macbooks, after using the 2018 model, I switched to a Dell Precision 5530 running Ubuntu 18.04 and it is awesome. The hardware is great, and having Unix under it all was the only real reason I liked Macs (used to be hardware, too). Granted, I don't need Adobe stuff, or anything else that doesn't run or have an alternative on Ubuntu (although it is dual-booted with Win10, but I've never used it, just…

Lenovo T480 hackintosh here.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by MikusR »

holy_city wrote: post #158
inferiorhuman wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All the USB-C ports on the new MacBook Pros double as Thunderbolt 3 ports — IMO this is a big advantage over other laptops where some ports are USB-C only. I've only ever had a 2016+ MBP as a work computer so I didn't mind the USB-C stuff too much (especially with a dock that I didn't have to pay for). The lack of dedicated ethernet port and SD card reader is vexxing though (on my personal 2015 MBP).

> All the USB-C ports on the new MacBook Pros double as Thunderbolt 3 ports — IMO this is a big advantage over other laptops where some ports are USB-C only. The disadvantage is that one of those USB-C ports will be your charging port when there is only 4 on the 15" and 2 on the 13". I don't mind USB-C/Thunderbolt so much, I think it's great we'll get products that will be forced to adopt it (looking at you, audio in…

The 13" has 4 thunderbolt ports

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Post by afandian »

A few months after purchase and my MacBook Pro's keyboard has already been in for repairs and the screen glitch is too intermittent to replicate so they won't fix it. A Mac without Applecare+ is foolhardy -- these machines are engineered to fail under normal use -- so this should be considered as part of the base price IMHO. Applecare only covers 3 years so that's the lifetime of the product. That's an expensive value prop.

My colleague's Macbook keyboard broke today. Close to 400 quid to diagnose and fix (we declined, its a huge chunk of the original price). Just ofer 4 years old (which is nothing) and juuuuust out of the replacement programme Apple has for keyboards they knew were faulty.

Lifelong Apple suporter until the past few years. Avoid like the plague.

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Post by dmitriid »

fiddlerwoaroof wrote: post #279
rayiner wrote: post #241

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Windows is crap. The UI is totally schizoid, with different apps using different toolkits. Office for Mac integrates more cleanly into the look and feel of the rest of the OS than Office for Windows. There are two different settings apps with different features. Basic things are poorly designed. E.g. if you put the task bar in autohide mode, it routinely gets “stuck” because some notification is keeping it from hidin…

Of course, electron is bringing this great fragmented ui experience to macOS

Electron is a browser. So a huge chunk of things are native: keyboard support, inputs, dropdowns, context menus, menus, preference panes, popups, window chrome etc.

And all this is available to developers out of the box. Very few "cross-platform UI toolkits" can come even close.

That said, a fully native app would be a better option, but Electron apps are ok (unless devs go out of their way to make them bad)

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by cutler »

Having used a Hackintosh as my desktop for the last 10 years without issue I'm inclined to attempt the same for my laptop now that my 2013 Macbook Pro is looking a bit old. At nearly half the price it's becoming a no-brainer. Are there high-end laptops with screens comparable to Apple's retina display nowadays? I'm also assuming disk and RAM can be replaced in Dells and ThinkPads but maybe I'm mistaken?

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by bluedino »

rarecoil wrote: post #334
mmartinson wrote: post #90

I'm currently using the last, best 2015 macbook, and having tried a newer model as a work computer for a short while previously, am dreading the day I need to think about replacing it. How about this apple. "macbook util". The pro line can keep the thin delicate stuff. Give me the 2015 case, screen, keyboard, and magsafe, with some new internals and a usb-c. I'd happily hand over my money.

Wasn't that kind of the point of the "Pro" line? I mean, if you just wanted a kinda cool laptop, you'd buy a MacBook or MacBook Air. It's now the MacBook Prosumer, and there is no pro option. Hacker News has been whinging about this Apple dilemma for years. I'm sorry to say that I just don't think there will ever be the golden age of MacBooks again. The "Pro" ideas coming from Cupertino are gimmicky at best for devel…

I love Thinkpads but the trackpads, screen, and build quality leave a lot to be desired. Every Mac is the same level of assembly/quality but ThinkPads vary too much from one to another.

The prices for the high-performance models are almost as high as Apple and the power bricks are actually bricks.

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Post by vinceguidry »

tlrobinson wrote: post #269
gilbetron wrote: post #74

After 8 years of macbooks, after using the 2018 model, I switched to a Dell Precision 5530 running Ubuntu 18.04 and it is awesome. The hardware is great, and having Unix under it all was the only real reason I liked Macs (used to be hardware, too). Granted, I don't need Adobe stuff, or anything else that doesn't run or have an alternative on Ubuntu (although it is dual-booted with Win10, but I've never used it, just…

What have the biggest annoyances been when switching? I occasionally try switching but always get frustrated with the amount of time I have to spend fussing with graphics drivers, multitouch drivers, keyboard shortcuts, etc, but it's possible that's because I've only really attempted it on Apple hardware.

I have two System76 Meerkats and a Purism Librem 13, which are an absolute breeze.

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Post by bscphil »

jteppinette wrote: post #168
HeWhoLurksLate wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's probably time to start banging the ThinkPad drum again, but first they need to put their RAM back in sockets.

Disclaimer: work for Apple but about 1000 miles away from hardware The MacBook touch pads are leagues above all the competition. It’s the number one thing that keeps me away from my think pads.

Why do you say that? Isn't that entirely a personal preference thing? I have preferred any good non-Apple touchpad I have tried to Apple's. (To be fair, 90% of laptops sold ship with cheap, terrible touchpads.) The touchpad on my Dell XPS is a good example; zero finger friction, physical left/right buttons at the bottom of the touchpad, and perfect sensitivity / detection of tap to click and two finger scroll. The drivers support "natural" scrolling too.

On the other hand, Apple's touchpads have to be configured to even enable tap-to-click(?!), and click-and-drag doesn't even work with it... On pretty much any non-Apple touchpad and OS combination, double-tapping on a draggable object enables dragging mode, where you can move the object around the screen with one finger.

If Apple seriously got its software story together, it would at least support better configurability for its touchpads. But even then, it wouldn't have physical buttons, which I prefer.

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Post by burtonator »

cletus wrote: post #125

What a clusterF is modern Mac hardware: - Keyboards with much worse action that are more prone to failure (from dust no less) and require replacing the motherboard to fix... all for a Touchbar no one wants and 0.5mm cut in thickness. - Loss (over the years) of the ability to upgrade the CPU, SSD or memory; - Display failures due to broken ribbon cables; - The USB-C clusterF; and - Loss of MagSafe (this one still hurt…

> Loss of MagSafe (this one still hurts).

I will NEVER forgive them for this.

Jobs was RIGHT when he said this was a major innovation over everyone else.

Now Apple is either saying he was wrong or THEY are wrong. They're not BOTH right.

My 2015 is the last MBP I will ever buy and it's aging fast...

I think it's hackingtosh from here on out.

I primarily use Ubuntu but I have to have a Mac as our app runs cross platform and I need somethign to test with.

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