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Re: Bullshit I had to go through while organizing a software conference

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I was with the author until the diversity and equity part. Why does everything have to boil down to skin color and gender? I don't see why you need to offer this for a tech conference. It should be about ability and topics. Edit: I already regret making this post.

Because there's a well-known imbalance, and not everything balances itself. Sometimes fairness requires stepping in and lending a helping hand to right an imbalance.

We should totally create a bias toward minorities for things like speaking engagements. And also - that imbalance will always be there.

It's so well documented at researched at this point that the imbalance is at least partially driven by differences in fundamental interests between genders ("things" vs "people"). You see this with nurses just as much as you see it with engineers.

But, these are all averages and distribution, so plenty of work to do to make sure those that aren't in the average can still pursue their interests without facing such an uphill battle. Conference speaking seems like a good way to help. But the goal of "balance" as 50/50 is not a good goal.

Re: Bullshit I had to go through while organizing a software conference

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I know about this case. I can say the following: Most of the facts stated on this post are lies, or lies by omissions. This guy has an harassment lawsuit against him and hes trying to protect himself. He harassed the girl in front of many witnesses in another conference IN WHICH HE WAS NOT INVITED AND THE GIRL WAS A SPEAKER, and was promptly removed from said conference because of that. She filed a police report agai…

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Re: Bullshit I had to go through while organizing a software conference

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should we be aggressively encouraging men to take up nursing?

If you searched for this, you would find multiple programs trying to do just that. The difference is that it doesn't make the news because there isn't a reactionary movement which sees that as an existential threat.

There isn't a reactionary movement that sees "women in tech" as an existential threat. The "reactionaries" you're alluding to are properly known as "liberals" or "egalitarians".

Re: Bullshit I had to go through while organizing a software conference

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The problem with conferences is that they have become watered down with political agendas instead of focusing on learning and quality content.

With this person's comments, the "troublemaker" might indeed be a problematic person, but, given what I've seen, usually when a group of women target another women it has very little to do with actual harassment and more to do with differences in political ideology.

Re: Bullshit I had to go through while organizing a software conference

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Sounds like the same reason the Derbycon organizers aren't doing it again: https://www.derbycon.com/blog/derbycon-9-0-every-beginning-h...

> To put it in perspective, we had to deal with an individual that was verbally and mentally abusive to a number of our volunteer staff and security to the point where they were in tears. It sounds like the proper response to this is to tell the individual to "fuck off and never come back", but looks like popularity mattered too much to the Derbycon organizers: > Admittedly, we had no idea how to handle this person,…

Alas, it's not that simple. A lot of professional victims out there, ready to bring out an utter shitstorm if they get slighted. Conference organizers have their careers to think about, and getting nailed on Twitter as a *ist is a great way to become unemployable.

Re: Bullshit I had to go through while organizing a software conference

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A responder to this wrote "Sometimes fairness requires stepping in and lending a helping hand to right an imbalance.", which is definitely the answer that lots of people would give. Obviously this is an ideological stance, and it sounds like you probably disagree with it. But I think it's also pretty obvious, even before asking, that the only answer is going to be an ideological stance. It's one person or group's per…

> you know perfectly well why they are doing the things they do, what value system informs their actions. So what's the point of protesting it here like you're bewildered about it? For me, it's fascinating how people can adhere to an ideology that is so overtly inconsistent. I like to hear the ways people try to reconcile such obvious inconsistencies. And one person's "bewilderment" is another person's "giving the be…

But you're doing it too! You're trying to make it sound abundantly reasonable that the OP's ideology is inconsistent, when lots of people would completely disagree with that, and then you're pretending like it's obvious and not up for debate. More fanning the flames. Why?

Re: Bullshit I had to go through while organizing a software conference

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It's definitely a problem, and it's not good that male role models are often lacking in earlier childhood education (especially when male role models may be lacking at home at well), but one key difference is that these aren't generally well-compensated positions.

I don't see why a position being "well-compensated" is relevant, particularly when society is worse off for the imbalance.

It's relevant in the sense that I don't particularly care that it'd be harder for me to get these jobs, as the pay cut vs my current job of software engineer would be so significant that I would never seriously consider it. Conversely, I would care a lot if there's some job that would earn me more money that my gender hinders me in attaining (as is sometimes the case for women in tech).

To the extent that society is worse off for the imbalance, part of the solution is better compensating these jobs in the first place. We're currently taking advantage of people who have a passion for doing the work by underpaying them, which disproportionately affects women.

Re: Bullshit I had to go through while organizing a software conference

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From the article, it sounds like the only reason they didn't name the people was that their lawyer told them not to.

That is not correct. I have no interest in damaging anybody. That is why I did not write names and other things that happened in the article. He has already been banned from other conferences. I am trying to protect myself based on what happened and other people told me, I assure you the last few weeks have been a hell for me. My only objective is to be able to run my conference as I want and not to be harrassed.

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Re: Bullshit I had to go through while organizing a software conference

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I've been a co-convener for two Python conferences in Vancouver. The conferences were small ( For me, the key sources of stress were: 1. hoping that tickets and sponsorship would cover our costs (at some point you have to pay for your venue, flights for your keynotes, etc. and this happens before ticket sales open). I think that we lost a few hundred dollars on the first conference and donated a few hundred dollars t…

What were the conferences? Just curious, I just happen to be moving back to Vancouver this summer.

Re: Bullshit I had to go through while organizing a software conference

#200

I've been a co-convener for two Python conferences in Vancouver. The conferences were small ( For me, the key sources of stress were: 1. hoping that tickets and sponsorship would cover our costs (at some point you have to pay for your venue, flights for your keynotes, etc. and this happens before ticket sales open). I think that we lost a few hundred dollars on the first conference and donated a few hundred dollars t…

> My plan was to refund attendees if we canceled the BBQ but that would have been thousands of dollars out of my pocket and lots of disappointed people. Fortunately, it didn't rain in either years.

You can buy special event rain-out insurance for situations like these. Definitely recommend it.

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