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Bullshit I had to go through while organizing a software conference

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Re: Bullshit I had to go through while organizing a software conference

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post #61

Perhaps I missed it but is it known specifically why that person was uninvited to begin with?

> My team and I were contacted by different people to warn us that they were uncomfortable with the participation of a speaker and her boyfriend in our conference. They told the organization of the conference that this couple had caused problems to women in the community. > Several people who knew both of them confirmed that they had had problems with them in the past. We also talked with the organizers of other conf…

Why the boyfriend? do you really kicked somebody out because some persons didn't like her boyfriend?

Re: Bullshit I had to go through while organizing a software conference

#72

How can we know if your side of the story is the truth? Either way, this is an excellent example of why the Twitter Justice System is a bad idea.

If the author cared about "the truth" and "their side of the story" to "clear their name", names would have been named; details would have been detailed. The lack of those things might be a clue that it wasn't the point, but rather a warning to others that might follow the conference organizer path.

Believe the author or not, but there are some fucking Looney Tunes folks out there. If you go gathering a crowd of people above a critical mass, you're going to have to deal with a few of them at some point. That should be your take-away.

Re: Bullshit I had to go through while organizing a software conference

#74
post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's mealy-mouthed prevarication, and does not match the actual actions taken under the claim of that philosophy. There is a difference between proactive nurturing and proactive suppression and condemnation.

>That's mealy-mouthed prevarication, and does not match the actual actions taken under the claim of that philosophy. There is a difference between proactive nurturing and proactive suppression and condemnation. I'm not following what that text means. Can you elaborate?

Not the writer of that post, but maybe they're pointing out the difference between "lending a helping hand" and "deplatforming".

Re: Bullshit I had to go through while organizing a software conference

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the way these people reacted confirms that it would be a very bad idea to have them at any conference. I wish they were named so I could avoid them now.

Would you avoid them simply on the basis of a blog post? OP is saying a false accusation turned into a witch hunt because people believed an allegation posted on the Internet without question. What makes you confident you're better at detecting the truth than the people who believed the woman's story?

What makes you believe the OP’s story?

Re: Bullshit I had to go through while organizing a software conference

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post #64

Small potatoes. I can't imagine legal action helping much. Move on from the unpleasant experience and help others who face greater injustices.

>I can't imagine legal action helping much. If they're continuing to harass them as described, it seems like a prudent choice.

Do you realize he is harassing them back, writing this post and posting all around internet?

Re: Bullshit I had to go through while organizing a software conference

#78

I was with the author until the diversity and equity part. Why does everything have to boil down to skin color and gender? I don't see why you need to offer this for a tech conference. It should be about ability and topics. Edit: I already regret making this post.

A responder to this wrote "Sometimes fairness requires stepping in and lending a helping hand to right an imbalance.", which is definitely the answer that lots of people would give. Obviously this is an ideological stance, and it sounds like you probably disagree with it. But I think it's also pretty obvious, even before asking, that the only answer is going to be an ideological stance. It's one person or group's perspective of what is decent and right to do, and it happens not to be yours. So the answer to why they included that part is, of course, "because they wanted to".

My point is: on the one hand, if you disagree with the ideology, then... that's just that. You disagree about what is most decent to do. But I don't believe that you are confused about what other people's ideologies are -- you know perfectly well why they are doing the things they do, what value system informs their actions. So what's the point of protesting it here like you're bewildered about it? The only result is people shouting their stances at each other -- not a debate, or even an argument, at all.

I mention this, and risk making things worse, because I think it is important to recognize this thread as one of those pointlessly destructive ones, which changes nothing except to make people more annoyed at each other. It just amounts to people saying what they think and trying to make it sound abundantly reasonable so the other side sounds wrong. It's a fake argument; what's the point of starting it?

Re: Bullshit I had to go through while organizing a software conference

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post #64

Small potatoes. I can't imagine legal action helping much. Move on from the unpleasant experience and help others who face greater injustices.

>I can't imagine legal action helping much. If they're continuing to harass them as described, it seems like a prudent choice.

What's outlined in the article doesn't meet the burden of proof. There was a conflict and OP solipsistically experienced it as a big deal. Meanwhile, there's plenty of oppression and destitution in the world, but let's all focus on some low-level drama because it's more entertaining.

Re: Bullshit I had to go through while organizing a software conference

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post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's mealy-mouthed prevarication, and does not match the actual actions taken under the claim of that philosophy. There is a difference between proactive nurturing and proactive suppression and condemnation.

>That's mealy-mouthed prevarication, and does not match the actual actions taken under the claim of that philosophy. There is a difference between proactive nurturing and proactive suppression and condemnation. I'm not following what that text means. Can you elaborate?

In the name of improving equality, many conferences are turning to censorious tactics, removing anyone who receives the slightest complaint on ground of even minor disagreement with those claiming to be fighting for equality.

To clarify, I don't think that's what's happening in this story. This is more a response to the GGP post.

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