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Paranoia will destroy us: Why Huawei and other Chinese tech is not spying

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Re: Paranoia will destroy us: Why Huawei and other Chinese tech is not spying

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Post by dna_polymerase »

coconut_crab wrote: post #26

Maybe not yet, but it surely gives them the capability to spy later on. My country, Vietnam, also banned Huawei equipment[1], and I don't believe it's pure paranoia. China has been taking every chances to spy on us, from illegally buy houses near Da Nang airport[2] (nearest airbase to Paracels) to 'tourists' walking near the Ministry of Defence to Advanced Persistent Threat targeting petroleum or maritime corporation…

The alternative is relying on US tech. While I get the point that Huawei could be spying on us later on, the US is the one nation we know is spying on us.

All tech we use these days can be used for spying. The whole Huawei craze is just the U.S. realizing that they are no longer the only power to fear.

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Post by coconut_crab »

mnky9800n wrote: post #30
coconut_crab wrote: post #26

Maybe not yet, but it surely gives them the capability to spy later on. My country, Vietnam, also banned Huawei equipment[1], and I don't believe it's pure paranoia. China has been taking every chances to spy on us, from illegally buy houses near Da Nang airport[2] (nearest airbase to Paracels) to 'tourists' walking near the Ministry of Defence to Advanced Persistent Threat targeting petroleum or maritime corporation…

What do you think America is doing?

America? I think Trump is a fool but some of his measures make sense. Regarding China, I feel that America misunderstood that China will play by the international rule (setup by western countries). No, they have their own rule and whatever 'International law' out there are written by upsurping countries and meaningless to them.

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Post by lustysocietyorg »

mantas wrote: post #24
llamaz wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"there are checks and balances and freedoms" you are so full of child like innocence, I envy you

Yet US got significantly more checks and balances and freedoms than China.

There are no good checks and balances in the USA.

In the USA, evil is promoted openly and without shame.

Proofs:

https://twitter.com/sensanders/status/1033516711201386502

https://twitter.com/berniesanders/status/1068900206136180736

Hillary & Bernie Blow Smoke Up McCain's A After Death (2018-08-27).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_--joNde92k

Madeleine Albright says 500,000 dead Iraqi Children was "worth it" wins Medal of Freedom (2012-05-02).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omnskeu-puE

Assange Exposes Democrat Fascists, Torturers & Warmongers (2019-04-15).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbWiPe--U3E

Democrats Praise War Criminal Mattis (2019-01-19).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvBo9X5MZqs

Mike Pompeo reveals true motto of CIA: 'We lied, we cheated, we stole' (2019-04-21), time 222.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsnAR3yqfQ0&feature=youtu.be...

Re: Paranoia will destroy us: Why Huawei and other Chinese tech is not spying

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Post by yesbabyyes »

dna_polymerase wrote: post #31
coconut_crab wrote: post #26

Maybe not yet, but it surely gives them the capability to spy later on. My country, Vietnam, also banned Huawei equipment[1], and I don't believe it's pure paranoia. China has been taking every chances to spy on us, from illegally buy houses near Da Nang airport[2] (nearest airbase to Paracels) to 'tourists' walking near the Ministry of Defence to Advanced Persistent Threat targeting petroleum or maritime corporation…

The alternative is relying on US tech. While I get the point that Huawei could be spying on us later on, the US is the one nation we know is spying on us. All tech we use these days can be used for spying. The whole Huawei craze is just the U.S. realizing that they are no longer the only power to fear.

The alternative is relying on US tech.

Huawei's biggest competitors are Ericsson (Swedish) and Nokia (Finnish).

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Post by zaarn »

deugtniet wrote: post #8

One point that I'm missing, is that the government of China can legally force any of their companies to start spying. And there would be no way that we would know. Then often the argument becomes: But the US are already spying on us, so it's not too bad. Which is fair, but in the US, there are checks and balances and freedoms so that somebody has recourse. All these things are absent in China. So the question is one…

The checks and balances in the US of A only exist for Americans. They don't exist when you're not an American and exist even less if you're not even in America.

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Post by Udik »

mantas wrote: post #29
fit2rule wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For me, as an ex-Australian who has lived in America and Europe, I don't trust either China or America with regards to their spying. Both countries have a long line of human rights violations in their history, and neither has shown a particular improvement in the last few decades. The USA has committed untold strife in the world. It has toppled democratically elected governments and installed dictators, it has declar…

There's a massive difference between foreign country spying on you and your own democratically elected government spying on you. Before you try to call US not democratic - don't. It is democratic. Especially when you compare to China. Of course, there's no perfect democracy and we can always work for more.

Except that for anyone who's not American, the US is a foreign country.

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Post by RobertoG »

mantas wrote: post #29
fit2rule wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For me, as an ex-Australian who has lived in America and Europe, I don't trust either China or America with regards to their spying. Both countries have a long line of human rights violations in their history, and neither has shown a particular improvement in the last few decades. The USA has committed untold strife in the world. It has toppled democratically elected governments and installed dictators, it has declar…

There's a massive difference between foreign country spying on you and your own democratically elected government spying on you. Before you try to call US not democratic - don't. It is democratic. Especially when you compare to China. Of course, there's no perfect democracy and we can always work for more.

The grandparent don't say anywhere that the US is not democratic, it says that " It has toppled democratically elected governments and installed dictators" that it's empirically truth.

The idea that, in the international arena, and for not USA citizens, the USA is preferable to China is, at least, naive and, probably, dangerous. As a neither USA nor Chinese citizen, none of those two have my best interest at heart.

Not even my own country have my best interest at heart frequently, but at least I have some "checks and balances" there.

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Post by crystaln »

This is either incredibly naive or a successful plant by Chinese intelligence. Chinese telecommunications and internet companies are effectively branches of the Chinese government, in that they are required to comply with basically any demands placed upon them by the Chinese military or government.

Next you'll try to tell me China didn't infiltrate Tom-Skype.

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Post by xbmcuser »

deugtniet wrote: post #8

One point that I'm missing, is that the government of China can legally force any of their companies to start spying. And there would be no way that we would know. Then often the argument becomes: But the US are already spying on us, so it's not too bad. Which is fair, but in the US, there are checks and balances and freedoms so that somebody has recourse. All these things are absent in China. So the question is one…

Yeah tell that to all the people that were interned without any legal recourse by American intelligence. As someone that is not from the USA or China I think we should worry more about USA than China as the records shows it is USA that has kidnapped people from their own countries or 3rd country rather than China.

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Post by diskiesk »

dogma1138 wrote: post #15
okintheory wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not a hypothetical question at all. Denmark is certainly asking this question, with the understanding that currently the US can tap anything they want in our communications infrastructure, and buying 5G from Huawei would instead give that power to the Chinese. I think it is fortunate that Danish political consensus is converging toward avoiding Huawei infrastructure. American politicians might be as bad as Ch…

What American company provides 5G carrier capabilities currently? I can’t think of any the only two that come in mind that aren’t Chinese are Alcatel-Nokia-Siemens-Lucent or w/e they are called now and Ericsson. For the most part the US can compromise networks without needing to control the companies that provide the equipment they’ll just compromise the operator and the supply chain.

The network core (back-end) of mobile network (including 5G) probably uses Cisco or Juniper switches, which are American companies.

PS: I'm supporting blacklisting of Huawei equipment.

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