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Google suspends some business with Huawei

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Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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As an Australian with a Hauwei phone, the writing is on the wall for me. Google Android in no longer a universal platform and moving forward, I doubt I'll ever buy anything again Google or US related again in terms of tech. This si no longer a China vs US issue, it's the US vs the world.

Out of interest, what phone can you get that is not US or google related?

A simple flip/slide phone.

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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post #422
post #326

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Huawei will never do that, the very concept of free or open-source is absolutely alien to them. But they could develop some kind of their own Play Services, compatible with Google.

"the very concept of free or open-source is absolutely alien to them" white people have a way of saying incredibly insulting, demeaning things about non-whites in a way that it is acceptable in common discourse. statement such as these need to be called out for what they are - biased opinions based on an irrational fear of "the chinese"

I would not agree with the statement you've quoted either, but can you see that you've posted a comment shot through with the same attitudes that you believe tainted his comment?

You've assigned a race to another poster based on your own preconceptions of the attitudes and behaviors of members of that race (kicking off your reply to snaky with "white people have a way of [...]") and lumped all members of a race together (accusing all white people of making derogatory statements regarding other races).

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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post #308

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Even if the NSA backdoors phones, you have to consider which government you trust more. The US government isn't great but China's is far worse.

I'm far more likely to be a 5eyes whistleblower or activist than Chinese whistleblower. Assume most people commenting here are in the same boat. Pretty clear cut.

Yeah, exactly. I've never been to China but I work in and visit the US frequently. I'd take China any day.

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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Yes indeed [0]. [0] https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/td/docs/routers/10000/10008/fe...

So, the US having freedom really was just a meme after all.

Following the requirements of a judge is not necessarily antithetical to Freedom. Even in societies where freedom is values, conspiracy to murder (say) tends to be frowned upon.

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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post #422
post #326

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huawei will never do that, the very concept of free or open-source is absolutely alien to them. But they could develop some kind of their own Play Services, compatible with Google.

"the very concept of free or open-source is absolutely alien to them" white people have a way of saying incredibly insulting, demeaning things about non-whites in a way that it is acceptable in common discourse. statement such as these need to be called out for what they are - biased opinions based on an irrational fear of "the chinese"

Odd that you think this is about 'white people' v 'non-white people' rather than about a company's culture. I see to recall very robust discussions about Microsoft et al's position on open source without race getting dragged into it.

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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There is an arguement for making sure a company controlled by an outside state that cannot be trusted has nothing to do with providing important infrastructure, in fact it makes sense that this is monitored and perhaps somewhat produced by the local government to ensure maximum security.

However it’s something else entirely when a ruling given under that premise effectively knocks out that companies other businesses. I have a feeling this is more to do with Trump’s trade war than overall security.

Stopping Huawei getting android licenses effects it’s global business, it has nothing to do with the security of the communication network in the US.

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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In a way, this helps Apple (and other Android vendors) and in a way, it hurts it. Huawei phones recently have shipped market leading cameras that blow pretty much all other Android and iPhone cameras out of the water. They took a commanding lead as a premium device manufacturer. Hurting their non-China markets gives breathing space to others. However, if I were Apple, I'd be really worried about retaliation. Apple is…

The last thing China wants during a trade war is to have the 3 million people in Apple's supply chain unemployed and angry. This particular leverage is also why iMessage isn't blocked in China.

Apple's been losing marketshare (and unit sales) while Chinese domestic companies' market share has been growing, so that balances things out. The world's #1 smartphone maker Samsung moved much (50%>) of their smartphone assembly operation out of China and hardly anyone noticed it.

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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Win mobile was a dominant mobile platform until Microsoft didn't nuke itself with non backward compatible, rewritten from scratch WinMo 7 Palm was a dominant mobile platform until Palm nuked itself with 5 years of clownade with Palm OS 6 Symbian was the biggest, most dominant mobile OS globally until Nokia didn't decide to simply trow it away. JM2E was the most largely adapted app platform, even into early Android ye…

For each example, weren't there viable alternatives lurking around to take advantage of the situation? I'm not familiar with Palm OS, but Symbian and JM2E both has the iPhone and Android OSs as growing threats. Google hasn't officially stated that it is rebooting Android, and even if they did (and did it right), there isn't a major alternative lurking around the corner...

There are a lot of alternative OS and playstore on different part of the world. Huawei has the resources and experience (including other Chinese companies experience since that's how they operate) to offer an alternative to the whole world.

They have experience on chat and payment software and infrastructure system used by millions of people in their country.

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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In a way, this helps Apple (and other Android vendors) and in a way, it hurts it. Huawei phones recently have shipped market leading cameras that blow pretty much all other Android and iPhone cameras out of the water. They took a commanding lead as a premium device manufacturer. Hurting their non-China markets gives breathing space to others. However, if I were Apple, I'd be really worried about retaliation. Apple is…

The last thing China wants during a trade war is to have the 3 million people in Apple's supply chain unemployed and angry. This particular leverage is also why iMessage isn't blocked in China.

Once the population boycott a brand or a country the Chinese propaganda and people really do boycott them. Read the news about South Korea and Japan trade wars. The Chinese even tried to burn down a Toyota factory.

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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post #300

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I doubt that China will throw Google out. It's a bit of a reminder that Google is under US jurisdiction and there's a point to be made that, no matter what they promise you, if the US wants their data, they get their data. More competition can only be good, if this leads to the Chinese creating a third major platform, I welcome it. If they open source it, they may even have success outside of China.

As a non-American I'd much rather the USA has my data than China has it.

I'd prefer neither had it.

Neither can be trusted to retain a glass of water, let alone personally identifying information that can spur advertising campaigns and sway elections in countries around the world.

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