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Google suspends some business with Huawei

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Like Guantanamo?

Anyone who ended up in Guntanamo would have had a bullet to head in PRC, they would not bother with a camp. It is for hundreds of thousands of undesirables(like Muslims etc). When USA ships it’s Muslims into a camp in Nevada desert and starts re-educating them let us know

They are called, Native Americans.

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In a way, this helps Apple (and other Android vendors) and in a way, it hurts it. Huawei phones recently have shipped market leading cameras that blow pretty much all other Android and iPhone cameras out of the water. They took a commanding lead as a premium device manufacturer. Hurting their non-China markets gives breathing space to others. However, if I were Apple, I'd be really worried about retaliation. Apple is…

In what world is Huawei a leading premium device manufacturer? Do you have a source?

In a world outside the US, where the Huawei P30 Pro has the best camera combo, one of the fastest processors and a premium. build (and price).

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In Germany it was in the news that US hinted that if we wouldn't participate in banning Huawei we are excluded from further sharing of intelligence and stuff like this. For 5G and T-Mobile i.e. Deutsche Telekom AG they basically said: Dare to buy Huawai and you gonna have a bad time. It's these liberal and western high ethics at work here...

Like building Putin gas pipeline behind EUs back?

Behing the EU's back? The project is public since years. The former German chancellor is publicly involved in it.

The project is very much European: lots of countries involved.

Why can't the EU buy gas from wherever we want?

Who is the the US to tell us where to buy our gas from?

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iMessage is end-to-end encrypted.

If you really believe that China doesn't have a deal with Apple that nerfs this in China, I have a bridge to sell you. China, a country which mandates spyware be installed on phones. Which uses deep packet inspection to block access to foreign websites, that bans VPNs in app stores. China, a country which forces the population of Xinjiang to install Jingwang ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jingwang_Weishi ), a spywar…

It doesn't matter what you believe because Apple said that was the case in court filings during the FBI legal fight. Tim Cook reaffirmed that in an interview with Vice last fall.

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This was expected. Huawei now presents a serious competition to the likes of Apple, so the 'free market' in the U.S. responds by...shutting down the competition. Now I know the counterargument is about Chinese protectionism, but it is the U.S. who has always championed free market capitalism and led interventions in order to forcibly open other markets to its exports. As this shows however, this belief in the free ma…

It seems like the exact opposite is true. China in some sense doesn't abide by free market or free trade principles, and this can be seen as a principled stand against that.

Why does the US not go to the WTO then? That's the standard process for conflict resolution. Those are the rules set up by the US.

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You can’t really use Google Maps in China. Even over VPN it’s outdated and often displays the wrong location due to the GPS scrambling that the government enforces on maps. Baidu Maps is very good though, I would even say on par with Google Maps and better in some areas. It does however have more obvious ads which is annoying.

Huawei's market is international as well as domestic. Western users are used to Google services. So while they can work around the issue for Chinese users, they basically lose the western market. Who wants Android without the spectrum Google-like services? Which is a huge deal for Huawei, imo.

You're too biased to see that Google is not actually indispensable. Chinese users don't see Google as indispensable obviously, and provided a choice, others may see it too.

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American-manufactured devices are probably equally as infiltrated by American foreign intelligence services. Hence why they don't just use a standard Linux distro with open source firmware.

There is no proof of this, but there is tons of proof that China state funds Huawei and has the intent of espionage and IP theft.

The opposite actually

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The mere fact that this is possible, highlights the risk that international trade has become, specially regarding technology.

Any country holding a considerable share of the technology market should be considered a single point of failure, and diversification should take place.

The US is currently the 100-pound technology gorilla, and they are highly politicized. Very unreliable, and using its position to force its will into all kind of matters. No country should rely on the US as a single provider, to avoid being target of blackmail. It is actually surprising that we have reached the current status quo without realizing about these simple facts.

Re-decentralization of the Internet (and technology in general) is long overdue.

The same applies to other "industries". A frightening one is nuclear missiles. We are so used to the US (and the Russians) having thousands of nuclear heads that we do not care anymore. And simply because it has worked out in the past, we assume that the worse can be avoided indefinitely.

Nothing is further from the truth: the current situation guarantees that there will be a nuclear war. It is not a question of if, but when. We are a crazy president away from starting it (or maybe we have already hit the jackpot).

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As an Australian with a Hauwei phone, the writing is on the wall for me. Google Android in no longer a universal platform and moving forward, I doubt I'll ever buy anything again Google or US related again in terms of tech. This si no longer a China vs US issue, it's the US vs the world.

It's a China vs. the world issue. China has been spying on everyone, for years. Political, military, commercial, makes no difference.

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To all those stating that Huawei should just make their own OS, it's nowhere near that simple. Forking Android is the easy part, building an app ecosystem that thousands of developers across the globe actively partake in is incredibly difficult. Microsoft couldn't even pull it off with Windows Phone. I predict their own Android fork and China-focused app store will do fine in China, but struggle big time in other mar…

The difference between Huawei's situation and Microsoft's situation is that Microsoft's app store is not compatible with Android or IOS (obviously, different OS) While if Huawei uses the Android open source base, the only thing they have to do is entice developers to submit another copy of their app to their store, which is a much lower barrier than the one MS faced to develop a whole new ecosystem

Well, if Huawei would say a) here is our store b) your app will be marketed to Chinese population (as long as your backend servers run on Chinese infra)

then, I think they have a chance to attract app developers. Otherwise, I doubt it.

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