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Google suspends some business with Huawei

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Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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Post by sanxiyn »

yding wrote: post #283
Fnoord wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can install F-Droid or microG if you prefer; you don't need to use GApps. Apart from that the other options you have, are (in random order): /e/, PureOS, KaiOS, SailfishOS, Ubuntu Touch, Plasma Mobile, postmarketOS, among others.

I looked at MicroG and saw this almost immediately: This is alpha-grade software and not yet ready for production use. Do not use if you don't know what you're doing. That's not going to be good enough for Huawei. Similarly, all of those alternative OSes aren't going to work if they're not binary, and more importantly API compatible with Android + GMS.

If microG isn't good enough for Huawei, they can make it so. I mean, Huawei is a billion dollar corporation. I hope they do.

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Post by cfarm »

rorykoehler wrote: post #282
cfarm wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you think other nations will retaliate also?

Nations I'm not sure but it will for sure impact strategy at all companies of all sizes from large multi-national corporates down to bootstrapped startups like my own.

How does it affect your company?

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Post by roca »

andr wrote: post #141

I may have missed this, but have there been any specific accusations against Huawei? It is clear Chinese actors hack and steal IP, but have those been connected to Huawei, or are they just the easiest victim for the US to retaliate against?

Huawei is effectively one arm of the Chinese government, and the Chinese state hackers are another arm of that same government.

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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Post by mhkool »

windexh8er wrote: post #274

This isn't surprising. What the US government wants the government gets. I was working for a large ISP in 2010-2011 and we were considering long haul transport gear between Huawei and Infinera. All things being equal Huawei had a better cost/performance value prop. That was, until the FBI came in with a heavy handed opinion. You see at that point in time the best place to siphon data was at large ingress/egress. As I…

What most people forget is that in a war the other party shoots back. It may take some time but it will happen and sometimes when you do not expect it. I think that Trump's move with banning Huawei is bad for the US in the mid and long run.

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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Post by windexh8er »

yding wrote: post #279
windexh8er wrote: post #274

This isn't surprising. What the US government wants the government gets. I was working for a large ISP in 2010-2011 and we were considering long haul transport gear between Huawei and Infinera. All things being equal Huawei had a better cost/performance value prop. That was, until the FBI came in with a heavy handed opinion. You see at that point in time the best place to siphon data was at large ingress/egress. As I…

By LE capable firmware you mean that the FBI had a backdoor to eavesdrop? Wow.

Yes indeed [0].

[0] https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/td/docs/routers/10000/10008/fe...

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Post by roca »

techntoke wrote: post #88
philwelch wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your phone was manufactured by a front for a foreign intelligence service. It was never secure.

American-manufactured devices are probably equally as infiltrated by American foreign intelligence services. Hence why they don't just use a standard Linux distro with open source firmware.

Even if it was true that American phone companies are infiltrated by American intelligence services, you have to ask yourself which government you trust more. As a New Zealander, I think there are very good reasons to trust the US government a lot more.

Heck, if you look at where Chinese officials try to stash their money and their families, it's clear they trust Western countries a lot more too.

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Post by roca »

megaremote wrote: post #226
partiallypro wrote: post #121

You do know that China actively has concentration camps, right? They use data and tech they've stolen to do it. You really think that's the same as Facebook serving you ads? Give me a break.

Ok, yes, that is true. But the USA commits war crimes and doesn't want to be brought before court over them. So I should stop using US goods if I gave a shit about human rights, right?

Throwing up your hands and saying "everyone's bad" is just moral laziness. I'm not American and it's obvious China is far worse than the USA in terms of human rights.

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Post by rqs »

cromwellian wrote: post #114

In a way, this helps Apple (and other Android vendors) and in a way, it hurts it. Huawei phones recently have shipped market leading cameras that blow pretty much all other Android and iPhone cameras out of the water. They took a commanding lead as a premium device manufacturer. Hurting their non-China markets gives breathing space to others. However, if I were Apple, I'd be really worried about retaliation. Apple is…

> However, if I were Apple, I'd be really worried about retaliation.

I think this view is too narrow. For the Chinese government, there is something more important than revenge. Why kick that cash machine out of your country if it still paying your people paid and make then happy?

I guess the retaliation will come in a different form, even something out of the trade section maybe, depends on what's on Xi's table.

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Post by roca »

tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #183
dirtyid wrote: post #2

If true, this is certainly a nuclear move. There's a variety of first party app stores in China, though I doubt they'll see much success convincing Western users to switch. Curious if there's going to be antitrust fallout from markets outside the US for unilaterally crippling vendors at behest of US foreign policy. Is Microsoft or Apple going to pull their app stores as well? What happened to project Dragon Fly? On t…

> though I doubt they'll see much success convincing Western users to switch. Are any of these stores near the quality levels that Western audiences expect? My experience with software from China was consistently bad. Even the AliExpress web site looks like a cobbled together, barely working mess that people only put up with because of the low prices of the goods you can buy there, which won't work for app stores.

I like AliExpress, but you're right, the site (the English site at least) looks like it was cobbled together in 1998.

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Post by roca »

luckylion wrote: post #3
dirtyid wrote: post #2

If true, this is certainly a nuclear move. There's a variety of first party app stores in China, though I doubt they'll see much success convincing Western users to switch. Curious if there's going to be antitrust fallout from markets outside the US for unilaterally crippling vendors at behest of US foreign policy. Is Microsoft or Apple going to pull their app stores as well? What happened to project Dragon Fly? On t…

I doubt that China will throw Google out. It's a bit of a reminder that Google is under US jurisdiction and there's a point to be made that, no matter what they promise you, if the US wants their data, they get their data. More competition can only be good, if this leads to the Chinese creating a third major platform, I welcome it. If they open source it, they may even have success outside of China.

As a non-American I'd much rather the USA has my data than China has it.
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