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Google suspends some business with Huawei

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Post by gsich »

avocado4 wrote: post #150
cromwellian wrote: post #114

In a way, this helps Apple (and other Android vendors) and in a way, it hurts it. Huawei phones recently have shipped market leading cameras that blow pretty much all other Android and iPhone cameras out of the water. They took a commanding lead as a premium device manufacturer. Hurting their non-China markets gives breathing space to others. However, if I were Apple, I'd be really worried about retaliation. Apple is…

In what world is Huawei a leading premium device manufacturer? Do you have a source?

In this one.

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Post by xparco »

ghobs91 wrote: post #209

To all those stating that Huawei should just make their own OS, it's nowhere near that simple. Forking Android is the easy part, building an app ecosystem that thousands of developers across the globe actively partake in is incredibly difficult. Microsoft couldn't even pull it off with Windows Phone. I predict their own Android fork and China-focused app store will do fine in China, but struggle big time in other mar…

Speak for yourself prole...you are nowhere near Huawei's level.

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Post by opportune »

Despegar wrote: post #163
cromwellian wrote: post #114

In a way, this helps Apple (and other Android vendors) and in a way, it hurts it. Huawei phones recently have shipped market leading cameras that blow pretty much all other Android and iPhone cameras out of the water. They took a commanding lead as a premium device manufacturer. Hurting their non-China markets gives breathing space to others. However, if I were Apple, I'd be really worried about retaliation. Apple is…

The last thing China wants during a trade war is to have the 3 million people in Apple's supply chain unemployed and angry. This particular leverage is also why iMessage isn't blocked in China.

iMessage isn't blocked in China because it doesn't need to be. China passed a law forcing Apple to put all Chinese users' iCloud data in a Chinese datacenter. Since Apple allows for account recovery, they store account keys in that datacenter. Anyone with privileged access to certain production resources in iCloud China should be able to access basically all Chinese users' data.

The one exception is apparently Apple's keychain as per https://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2018/01/16/icloud-i.... But, if the hardware used to enforce the security is different in China, even that could be cracked.

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Post by KaoruAoiShiho »

lucb1e wrote: post #208
KaoruAoiShiho wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

locked bootloader in huawei I think, even if they open it it's not really a normal sideload and will be hard enough to not be a generally applicable solution.

I've got root on my Huawei P10 lite since day one (would have returned the phone if it were closed), not sure where you got the idea that unlocking the bootloader is not possible.

That's just what I heard online, but maybe it's different between models.

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Post by xparco »

StavrosK wrote: post #206
rl3 wrote: post #191

I'd love to see a forensic level reverse engineering/technical audit of the Nexus 6P hardware. In reality Chinese intelligence likely wasn't stupid enough to try anything there, but I often wonder how many eyes Google had on hardware security for that project considering it was Huawei making their flagship phone at the time. I also wonder if there were any NSA efforts to tear the thing apart, since they are likely be…

Why is China so likely to bug the phone but the NSA isn't?

Because most people here are debt dorks with cognitive dissonance and doublethink

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Post by iamnothere »

chvid wrote: post #134

I always wondered what would it take for a company to develop an alternative mobile operating system? To me the combination of Android and iOS always was the perfect mold around the business of high-end mobile phones. Android is given away for free; but to make a truly great end user experience hardware and software needs to be integrated. Like it is for iOS. But that requires an enourmous investment; and there is no…

Sailfish, Tizen, and KaiOS exist, and there are some other Linux-based alternatives out there as well. Unfortunately none of these have good market share yet. I don't know much about the business side of mobile OS development, but it must be difficult to gain and keep market share if even MS couldn't succeed.

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Post by Talanes »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #204
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cost is not the reason all consumer electronics are made in China. Actually, manufacturing there is now more expensive than Estern Europe. They build them there because all the supply chain is already there. In Shenzhen, the capacitors, resistors, PCBs and most chips are sourced in bulk from around the block . That's something no other country in the West or even East has and it's such a complex interconnected ecosys…

Everything you've mentioned is basically synonymous with "cost." An iPhone built in the US from domestic components would probably cost more than most peoples' cars.

While you're right that the logistical issues can all be reduced to cost, it removes a lot of nuance to act as if logistical superiority is the same as the vernacular low-cost.

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Post by roboys »

andrekandre wrote: post #193
aristophenes wrote: post #158

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That would be reasonable, but China has had such an advantage for so long that just getting them to a level playing field will appear to be a devastating loss. This has been furthered by how the situation has been portrayed in the media in both China and the US and around the world, with the US as the aggressor. I believe this has caused the Chinese government to miscalculate, thinking the US will lose support and ba…

> The thing that really annoys me about this is that if China would just be patient and play by the rules, be genuinely friendly to its neighbors, it would take them like 20 or 30 years longer but then the whole world would just place the crown on their head and they would peacefully become the world's only superpower. Naturally, maybe even justly. Now we all get misery because of impatience. just playing the devils…

Old US money has considered China a threat for over 2 centuries, they are very aware of the threat China poses because their wealth was accumulated during China's destruction.

China is an economic threat because it will inevitably be superior to the US economy. India is an economic threat for the same reason.

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Post by roboys »

Leary wrote: post #95
onei wrote: post #72

I guess this is a thinly veiled attack on China, but I'm a bit confused why there's a feud between the US and China in the first place. Perhaps my ignorance is down to being British and a bit out of the loop, but could someone give a rough outline on what the underlying motives for this are?

China is the only country that can threaten the US' status as the number one superpower in the world. Huawei's lead in 5G technology is broadly seen in Washington as a threat to US interests even though the US government has no concrete evidence of wrong doing.

China's population will actually age too fast to continue to be #1 in the world, by the end of this century India will pass China in GDP & population size, based on projections.
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