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Google suspends some business with Huawei

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Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

#151
I avoided those phones like the plague, guess it was a good choice.

I bet it has a lot to do with the whole huawei backdoor story.

To be honest outsourcing such sensitive consumer device to a police state has not been a good idea for a long time.

I hope it will give good reasons to consider designing either open smartphones, or minimalist os designs with c++ or webasm apps. If smartphones get bloated, they won't be affordable anymore.

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

#152

This is likely going to hurt Huawei a lot more than Google. Losing access to latest Android versions or Google apps will make it more difficult for their phones to gain adoption globally.

This move will permanently destroy trust between Chinese OEM manufacturers with Google the same way revocation of private property reduces trust in the value of property. Long term wise, this could permanently splinter Android market share especially in overseas regions like India or Africa where Chinese phones command a large portion of the marketshare.

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

#153

In a way, this helps Apple (and other Android vendors) and in a way, it hurts it. Huawei phones recently have shipped market leading cameras that blow pretty much all other Android and iPhone cameras out of the water. They took a commanding lead as a premium device manufacturer. Hurting their non-China markets gives breathing space to others. However, if I were Apple, I'd be really worried about retaliation. Apple is…

In what world is Huawei a leading premium device manufacturer? Do you have a source?

He is right.

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

#154

In a way, this helps Apple (and other Android vendors) and in a way, it hurts it. Huawei phones recently have shipped market leading cameras that blow pretty much all other Android and iPhone cameras out of the water. They took a commanding lead as a premium device manufacturer. Hurting their non-China markets gives breathing space to others. However, if I were Apple, I'd be really worried about retaliation. Apple is…

How much more expensive would an iPhone be that’s assembled in the US?

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

#155

I assume Cadence, Synopsys, Mentor Graphics, Xilinx, Intel PSG, Microsemi, Lattice, and Qualcomm are also affected by the Huawei blacklist. Can Huawei survive without these critical components and EDA tools? If Huawei ignores the loss of licenses and uses existing software and libraries to develop future products, will those be banned from US and EU markets?

Do they even respect licenses to being with?

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

#156
post #141

I may have missed this, but have there been any specific accusations against Huawei? It is clear Chinese actors hack and steal IP, but have those been connected to Huawei, or are they just the easiest victim for the US to retaliate against?

None, Australian government has banned Huawei for government work. Me and others have demanded the government to ban them from consumers but no. Huawei is allowed to sell to unsuspecting businesses/consumers in Australia.

Huawei could sue the Australian government over the ban: https://www.afr.com/business/telecommunications/huawei-won-t...

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

#157
post #141

I may have missed this, but have there been any specific accusations against Huawei? It is clear Chinese actors hack and steal IP, but have those been connected to Huawei, or are they just the easiest victim for the US to retaliate against?

When it comes to security everyone's guilty until proven innocent.

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

#158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let me give it a shot with actual references, and years of paying attention, not whatever I heard the talking heads say last night. The US perceives the economic relationship with China to be one way. Prior to the recent trade flair ups, China was given preferential treatment, perhaps as part of a strategy to create a geopolitical ally instead of an enemy through trade. This appeared to be working for several decades…

>So basically a viewpoint that I tend to agree with is that this is all about resetting the trade relationship to a normal one between peers. Fairly sure you're wrong on this, the US now wants an advantageous relationship. Not an even score. Just returning to even ground would let China keep the advantages it has reaped.

That would be reasonable, but China has had such an advantage for so long that just getting them to a level playing field will appear to be a devastating loss. This has been furthered by how the situation has been portrayed in the media in both China and the US and around the world, with the US as the aggressor. I believe this has caused the Chinese government to miscalculate, thinking the US will lose support and back down. Instead they have been backed into a corner. Saving face is life or death for the Chinese government, so the US getting an advantageous deal would require literally world war III and I don't think anyone involved is stupid enough to actually try to make that happen.

I expect that the tariffs will stay in place permanently because any acceptable deal would require the Chinese publicly harassing their own people on behalf of the US government, and there is no way the US could enforce that. So the easiest solution are tariffs that will rebalance trade naturally, and probably the world polarizing into two main economic zones, US-centric and China-centric. And then we all just try not to kill each other for the forseeable future.

The thing that really annoys me about this is that if China would just be patient and play by the rules, be genuinely friendly to its neighbors, it would take them like 20 or 30 years longer but then the whole world would just place the crown on their head and they would peacefully become the world's only superpower. Naturally, maybe even justly. Now we all get misery because of impatience.

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

#159

You do know that China actively has concentration camps, right? They use data and tech they've stolen to do it. You really think that's the same as Facebook serving you ads? Give me a break.

They use data stolen from western users of their phones to aid in the operation of concentration camps? You're saying that by giving Chinese companies their data by using a Chinese phone, GP should consider themselves complicit in helping China run their concentration camps? What?

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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post #151

I avoided those phones like the plague, guess it was a good choice. I bet it has a lot to do with the whole huawei backdoor story. To be honest outsourcing such sensitive consumer device to a police state has not been a good idea for a long time. I hope it will give good reasons to consider designing either open smartphones, or minimalist os designs with c++ or webasm apps. If smartphones get bloated, they won't be a…

I wouldn't rule out a protectionist push from the US gov. as being behind this.
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