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Who killed Olof Palme?

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Re: Who killed Olof Palme?

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Post by Sharlin »

dmix wrote: post #70
Sharlin wrote: post #41

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> Of course, the story itself kinda speaks against this view of the world. Yet these crimes are so rare as to be huge deals when they do occur, and politicians here generally rather take their chances than lead a life protected from their very constituents. In a high-trust society it is also expected from politicians.

It's much easier to have trust in a small unimposing culturally homogeneous country of 10 million like Sweden vs a 300+ million economic and geopolitical juggernaut.

I was talking about Western Europe in general (the GP mentioned Merkel as an example).

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Post by PTcartelsLOL »

rurban wrote: post #28
IfOnlyYouKnew wrote: post #20

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I always enjoy these articles (to the extend that one can take joy in them), because they rarely fail to highlight how different politics can be. For an American audience, it's unthinkable that a leader of a government would go anywhere without their own private army. When I used to work in central Berlin, I regularly saw members of parliament and ministers have coffee or just walk around completely unprotected. Even…

I remember when I sat just behind José Manuel Barroso, that time the leader of the European Commission in a commercial airline, tourist class. I loved that guy, like the former Uruguayan president.

Good thing you like him. People in Portugal don't like him that much.

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Post by krueger71 »

IfOnlyYouKnew wrote: post #20
mongol wrote: post #3

Would be interesting to hear how "interesting" this article is for an international audience. As a Swede I am sick and tired about all speculation over the years. It is like a wound that never heals. We will never know for sure. Probably like the JFK assasination.

I always enjoy these articles (to the extend that one can take joy in them), because they rarely fail to highlight how different politics can be. For an American audience, it's unthinkable that a leader of a government would go anywhere without their own private army. When I used to work in central Berlin, I regularly saw members of parliament and ministers have coffee or just walk around completely unprotected. Even…

Unfortunately this wasn't the last time a high-ranking Swedish politician was murdered either.

https://www.thelocal.se/20110828/35814

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Post by bjourne »

acqq wrote: post #65
bjourne wrote: post #64

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> Can you please elaborate? I could very well imagine a seemingly lone gunman who would indeed be a part of a conspiracy, and I have a kind of a direct experience: So much has been written about the murder so I can't really add much of value. Here are a few facts that makes it obvious that murderer wasn't a professional - hence no conspiracy: 1. The murderer tried to shot Palme's wife from a distance of about 2 meter…

> a drug addicted street-thug doing it for no reason It still sounds much less probable than anybody who would do it with an agenda. > the streets are wide and you have to run for about 100m to the closest hiding spot Can you post a link to the location? Not being from there and reading about these details for the first time, it's hard for me to imagine "one of Stockholm's busiest corners" but with no place to hide f…

Sure. Here is the movie theater were Olof Palme and his wife watched a movie:

https://goo.gl/maps/TWwgVMsroFnSkNH89

Here is the hot dog stand the couple walked past. The owner thought he saw someone following them.

https://goo.gl/maps/QysTTnjg8ek9PiRy5

Murder scene. The killer ran into the street after shooting Palme and attempting to shoot his wife.

https://goo.gl/maps/biseEKdGTw9A3mzK6

The killer ran up this flight of stairs. Another indication that he wasn't a professional. The stairs were ice-covered and slippery so he would risk falling.

https://goo.gl/maps/DMqBznb8jVgTv4ci7

After the stairs, it is not known what route he took. According to most witness accounts, he ran straight. Some believe he ran to the left though, towards the cemetery and hid there.

https://goo.gl/maps/UWMHDfSCeoyi1nc67

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Post by 6006135 »

mongol wrote: post #68
6006135 wrote: post #60

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It seems like a lot of the comments are here from Swedes, and probably that is the working definition here for what consists the common perception. Is there a simple argument why it was not South African special police? I understand that the Swedish police decided it implausible, but did they explain why? I think the amount of paranoia and turbulance in SA during the 1980's and the other operations of the special arm…

Why it was not South African special police? Usually you start from evidence that points to a suspect. I am not aware of any.

So I understand that many people admitted to the murder. In South Africa, there was a specific admission to the murder by Craig Williamson, who is a ex-special agent. I don't think that here there is the same phenomenon by which multiple people admit to the murder in a delusional way.

This admission was done as part of the TRC (Truth and Reconciliation Commision). There is no reason here not to believe them. The only thing I can think of is delusions of grandeur, but like I say, I don't know of many TRC revelations being untrue.

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Post by acqq »

bjourne wrote: post #74
acqq wrote: post #65

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> a drug addicted street-thug doing it for no reason It still sounds much less probable than anybody who would do it with an agenda. > the streets are wide and you have to run for about 100m to the closest hiding spot Can you post a link to the location? Not being from there and reading about these details for the first time, it's hard for me to imagine "one of Stockholm's busiest corners" but with no place to hide f…

Sure. Here is the movie theater were Olof Palme and his wife watched a movie: https://goo.gl/maps/TWwgVMsroFnSkNH89 Here is the hot dog stand the couple walked past. The owner thought he saw someone following them. https://goo.gl/maps/QysTTnjg8ek9PiRy5 Murder scene. The killer ran into the street after shooting Palme and attempting to shoot his wife. https://goo.gl/maps/biseEKdGTw9A3mzK6 The killer ran up this flight…

Thanks! I still don't see how it's an argument that the attack wasn't planned by somebody else, but it is at least obvious, if I understand that the route of the attacke is confirmed, that the attacker himself wasn't prepared to disappear as soon as possible but to simply run for a while.
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