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Who killed Olof Palme?

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Re: Who killed Olof Palme?

#51
post #43

The murder of OP isn't that interesting. Everyone who is knowledgeable about the case knows it can't have been a conspiracy. It was a lone gunman, possibly a drug addict, seeing OP and his wife, seizing the opportunity to kill him. But what is interesting is the completely disastrous following investigation. The police in Stockholm fucked up in every possible way there is to fuck up. Records were not kept, witnesses…

> Everyone who is knowledgeable about the case knows it can't have been a conspiracy. It was a lone gunman

Can you please elaborate? I could very well imagine a seemingly lone gunman who would indeed be a part of a conspiracy, and I have a kind of a direct experience: I was personally a victim of a robbery where only one man attacked me, in what at that moment appeared to me as a completely random attack. Only after that didn't went as planned, a second man came, but not to help me but to help him, to my complete surprise. By chance and my luck the attack was ultimately not successful, but their goal was anyway not to harm me but just to get something I've possessed. Even more interestingly, after reporting the case to the police and after the investigation based on my previous movements before the attack it turned out that these two had two more accomplices. In total, at least four men were involved in one "small" robbery attack. The police told me they are aware of many such cases, and that there was probably even a fifth person involved who coordinated the four. And this all happened in the country and city of more or less comparable overall security and well being to Stockholm, not somewhere where everybody expects such dangers.

So what appeared to be a random attack is actually often indeed planned and involves more people. Even the thieves seldom operate alone.

Then what should be the arguments that there wasn't any conspiracy there?

Re: Who killed Olof Palme?

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post #47
post #43

The murder of OP isn't that interesting. Everyone who is knowledgeable about the case knows it can't have been a conspiracy. It was a lone gunman, possibly a drug addict, seeing OP and his wife, seizing the opportunity to kill him. But what is interesting is the completely disastrous following investigation. The police in Stockholm fucked up in every possible way there is to fuck up. Records were not kept, witnesses…

The disaster IMO was what the act itself led to, it took something away from all of us. I want to live in a country where the PM walks home by himself at the end of the day, lives in a ordinary place and takes out the garbage after dinner. I loved that with our country, I was at a concert last summer where the current PM showed up, this was a very small concert in the northern part of the country, with an entourage o…

Security got a lot more plentiful after Anna Lindh and Utøya. (And of course the whole war on terror). These things can't happen too often and stay the same, unfortunately.

Re: Who killed Olof Palme?

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post #51
post #43

The murder of OP isn't that interesting. Everyone who is knowledgeable about the case knows it can't have been a conspiracy. It was a lone gunman, possibly a drug addict, seeing OP and his wife, seizing the opportunity to kill him. But what is interesting is the completely disastrous following investigation. The police in Stockholm fucked up in every possible way there is to fuck up. Records were not kept, witnesses…

> Everyone who is knowledgeable about the case knows it can't have been a conspiracy. It was a lone gunman Can you please elaborate? I could very well imagine a seemingly lone gunman who would indeed be a part of a conspiracy, and I have a kind of a direct experience: I was personally a victim of a robbery where only one man attacked me, in what at that moment appeared to me as a completely random attack. Only after…

I was told about similar experience in Moscow. To still a small bag from a man at least three thieves were involved. One distracted, one “accidentally” pushed, one picked up the dropped bag.

Re: Who killed Olof Palme?

#55
post #3

Would be interesting to hear how "interesting" this article is for an international audience. As a Swede I am sick and tired about all speculation over the years. It is like a wound that never heals. We will never know for sure. Probably like the JFK assasination.

for a foreigner, it shows how, if you can get the sympathy of the law enforcement grunts, you can get away with anything.

investigator feels he have to pay too much tax while arresting people they deem unworthy of government benefits? go ahead and shoot your prime minister as the investigation will be sabotaged anyway.

Re: Who killed Olof Palme?

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post #52
post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The disaster IMO was what the act itself led to, it took something away from all of us. I want to live in a country where the PM walks home by himself at the end of the day, lives in a ordinary place and takes out the garbage after dinner. I loved that with our country, I was at a concert last summer where the current PM showed up, this was a very small concert in the northern part of the country, with an entourage o…

Security got a lot more plentiful after Anna Lindh and Utøya. (And of course the whole war on terror). These things can't happen too often and stay the same, unfortunately.

Alas, the world we live in is far from perfect.

Si vis pacem, para bellum - the Romans knew it and I believe it is still very true.

Re: Who killed Olof Palme?

#57
post #47
post #43

The murder of OP isn't that interesting. Everyone who is knowledgeable about the case knows it can't have been a conspiracy. It was a lone gunman, possibly a drug addict, seeing OP and his wife, seizing the opportunity to kill him. But what is interesting is the completely disastrous following investigation. The police in Stockholm fucked up in every possible way there is to fuck up. Records were not kept, witnesses…

The disaster IMO was what the act itself led to, it took something away from all of us. I want to live in a country where the PM walks home by himself at the end of the day, lives in a ordinary place and takes out the garbage after dinner. I loved that with our country, I was at a concert last summer where the current PM showed up, this was a very small concert in the northern part of the country, with an entourage o…

I ran in to our previous PM in the Systembolaget at NK-huset a couple years ago, with 2x SÄPO:s. It was odd to see. He bought like 8 of those Stockholm 5,2.

Re: Who killed Olof Palme?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

By 'problem' do you mean people not accepting the official narrative and having a go at 'critical thinking'? I wouldn't see that as a problem, I'd see that as a free society

Sure, it's a "free society" where everyone gets to prove the usefulness of vaccines for themselves, from first principle, because the medical community is corrupt and cannot be trusted. Where people actually start to believe in a "flat earth", and not just as a parody of conspiracy theories, and fly to New Zealand for their yearly meeting (from both Europe and the US, in opposite directions, go figure). Yeah, that is…

It's the difference between "skepticism" and "contrarianism".

A skeptic evaluates the evidence, and believes what it tells them.

A contrarian rejects the official narrative, and works from there.

Re: Who killed Olof Palme?

#60
post #43

The murder of OP isn't that interesting. Everyone who is knowledgeable about the case knows it can't have been a conspiracy. It was a lone gunman, possibly a drug addict, seeing OP and his wife, seizing the opportunity to kill him. But what is interesting is the completely disastrous following investigation. The police in Stockholm fucked up in every possible way there is to fuck up. Records were not kept, witnesses…

It seems like a lot of the comments are here from Swedes, and probably that is the working definition here for what consists the common perception.

Is there a simple argument why it was not South African special police? I understand that the Swedish police decided it implausible, but did they explain why?

I think the amount of paranoia and turbulance in SA during the 1980's and the other operations of the special army/police factions make it a somewhat believable possibility. The other thing to keep in mind is that during that time a lot of people were already acting in a sort of "rogue" way. There are always people that go to the radical extreme before a change in power.

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