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Tenants win right to physical keys over smart locks from landlords

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Re: Tenants win right to physical keys over smart locks from landlords

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post #189

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"A tenant illegally locking their landlord out". Where the fuck do you live, 11th century Europe?

Can you elaborate on what you’re talking about?

It's not legal for landlords to enter rented homes as they please, even in America.

Re: Tenants win right to physical keys over smart locks from landlords

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post #22

When I was last renting (in the UK) I changed my locks the day I moved in, then swapped them back to the original cylinders when I left. I thought it was pretty good practice not to have a door with an unknown number of previous tennants, cleaners, letting agents, landlords etc with access.

FYI for Americans, it is generally illegal to change your locks and not provide the owner (or agent aka landlord) with a copy. It's their property, not yours, and depending on state/lease they have the right to have the locks drilled/replaced at YOUR expense because you are not allowed to lock an owner out of their property. There are only a few US states which have laws permitting tenants from changing locks and not…

It's also not legal for landlords to enter other people's homes at will simply because they own it.

Re: Tenants win right to physical keys over smart locks from landlords

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post #101

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We changed the locks originally because we caught him in the place doing an inspection unannounced. All our clothes had been gone through and the computer turned on. Funny sounding inspection. The marmite was deserved. If you’re going to make someone’s life miserable and insecure for six months then we’re going to roll out the red carpet on pettiness.

Nothing is gained by being an asshole to an asshole. All you've done is provided him with documentable proof for how terrible and vindictive he thinks you are. It doesn't matter if every other claim he's made about you was a lie.

That is not just "an asshole". That is criminal.

Re: Tenants win right to physical keys over smart locks from landlords

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From a recent tenancy agreement I've seen: g) Permit the Landlord or the Landlord's agents on reasonable notice and at reasonable hours to enter the premises to view the state and condition thereof and if necessary to carry out repairs, alterations or other works. s) Not to change or install any locks on any doors or windows of the premises or to make duplicate keys thereto and to return all such keys to the Landlord…

The first and second terms are unpalatable but could be tolerated under limited circumstances. I would look at concealing a remote-monitored security camera by the front door to catch and alert any unwelcome visitors. But that third term is a deal-breaker. Eight weeks of living in an unsafe, insecure home with no privacy? I'm not paying rent for that.

Doesn't stop you leaving laundry, tools, bike parts, raw meat, or whatever else you think might put prospective tennants off all over the apartment.

Re: Tenants win right to physical keys over smart locks from landlords

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Nothing is gained by being an asshole to an asshole. All you've done is provided him with documentable proof for how terrible and vindictive he thinks you are. It doesn't matter if every other claim he's made about you was a lie.

Can we stop with this Christian ethic? It's not always reasonable to present the other cheek. The guy knows perfectly well what he's doing. If not treated badly, the next story he's going to be telling his mates is "how smart he was at getting that deposit for free from one of his tenants". There are too many ways to get away with a crime.

Right, but now he's telling his mates about how his absolute arsehole of a tenant spread marmite on his letterbox for no reason whatsoever. He still has a story, except this one just makes tenants look evil.

Re: Tenants win right to physical keys over smart locks from landlords

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> We changed the locks originally because we caught him in the place doing an inspection unannounced. All our clothes had been gone through and the computer turned on. Funny sounding inspection. That may be a criminal act in your jurisdiction. My local laws allow the landlord access, but the landlord needs to provide 48h notice of the inspection (with a list of specific exceptions for emergency work, mostly around pl…

Entirely legal in EU, btw

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Re: Tenants win right to physical keys over smart locks from landlords

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post #186

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In Iceland, if the owner of a rented apartment would request key access to his tenants apartment, well… That would be considered "batshit crazy". But it probably comes down to cultural differences, America is very authoritarian.

Feudal and Authoritarian eh? Certainly not being dramatic over differing interpretations of property rights.

A:the poster didn't mention feudalism

B: >differing interpretations of property rights The American interpretation is authoritarian. Just because it has a negative connotation doesn't make it untrue. The landlords are renting out a dwelling for someone, and because they are the authority of that land they get to enforce rules on who has access to it. That is authoritarian

Re: Tenants win right to physical keys over smart locks from landlords

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You make some good points, as I said I was just making assumption. It's definitely the land that is valuable, but you want a long lasting house with a minimum of renovations due to 'wear by environment'. My thought (assumption) was that it'd be better in our normal brick houses. But fair enough, it's probably less bad than I thought :)

How long do you need a house to last? 10,000 years? Wood that is protected from the environment will last essentially indefinitely on human timelines. The roof trusses on Notre Dame were 800 years old and showing no sign of stopping (modulo the lack of modern fire protection anyway). Protect wood from being exposed to the elements with a roof and siding and it'll last as long as you need it to. The wood in American h…

Well, the Notre Dame was renovated a few times but I do get your point. I do want to say that the main structure of the building is bricks :)

It's surely cheaper and easier to use wood. my understanding was indeed that the wood was more exposed "to the elements".

Of my concerns, the only one that remains and seems to be validated by other people is the insulation. So it'd be wasteful for energy. Perhaps you'll spend more heating up the place than you save by not using bricks.

Either way, thank you for clarifying some things :)

Re: Tenants win right to physical keys over smart locks from landlords

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you elaborate on what you’re talking about?

It's not legal for landlords to enter rented homes as they please, even in America.

It's a common carve out in most states to allow immediate access for "emergency access", which is why everyone in the thread is discussing exactly that.

Re: Tenants win right to physical keys over smart locks from landlords

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post #171

My brother is working in the construction business on the other side of the Atlantic, he's started to sell flats which use smartcard + reader instead of physical keys.

How does this work during a power outage?

If it is at all a decent system most boards that control the door locks have battery backups for this situation.

Our keyfob/door lock system at our small office works in this way where if you were to lose power the boards still operate on their own independent system via battery power up to 48 hours with no power.

Even on a server controlled system the server client only issues updates to names/keyfobs on the control boards and even if the server computer were to go down any current information still works as intended with no power and the boards operating on battery (which most last 48 hours and the batteries are cheap to replace so unless it is an extended outage you are fine)

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