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Re: Flutter: a Portable UI Framework for Mobile, Web, Embedded, and Desktop

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Re: Flutter: a Portable UI Framework for Mobile, Web, Embedded, and Desktop

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Re: Flutter: a Portable UI Framework for Mobile, Web, Embedded, and Desktop

#143

Post by richarddddd » Wed, May 08, 2019, 12:00 AM UTC

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Re: Flutter: a Portable UI Framework for Mobile, Web, Embedded, and Desktop

#144

Post by mful » Wed, May 08, 2019, 12:00 AM UTC

ergothus wrote: post #77

No one has (yet) mentioned the main reason I ignored Flutter when it initially came out and why I continue to have reluctance - It's google. They have a terrible track record with products AND with libraries. GWT? Dart (pre flutter)? NaCl? How about all those initial Angular devs? That's not a statement on the quality of the result (though some of those examples do indicate concerns), but if I'm not alone in avoiding…

What source would you prefer an open source UI library come from, that would avoid this concern?

Open source software lives and dies with adoption. Starting off with a (paid) development team, marketing team, and large initial user base (google internal) puts a piece of software in a good starting position, but doesn’t guarantee success.

Disclaimer: I work at Google, though not in a Flutter-related role.

Re: Flutter: a Portable UI Framework for Mobile, Web, Embedded, and Desktop

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Post by ww520 » Wed, May 08, 2019, 12:01 AM UTC

Would Flutter be good for cross platform game development? Or better stick with Unreal Dev Kit?

Re: Flutter: a Portable UI Framework for Mobile, Web, Embedded, and Desktop

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Post by datavirtue » Wed, May 08, 2019, 12:02 AM UTC

bradhoffman wrote: post #3

I’ve given Flutter a try with one of my client’s apps, and in some cases, it’s obviously better than native development. Mainly because you can develop for both platforms. I’d be curious to hear where other developers think Flutter is a good framework to use instead of developing native code.

Xamarin forms owns cross platform dev right now. Nothing can touch it.

Re: Flutter: a Portable UI Framework for Mobile, Web, Embedded, and Desktop

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Post by lucasverra » Wed, May 08, 2019, 12:02 AM UTC

stefan_ wrote: post #91

networkimprov wrote: post #14

Flutter code: https://github.com/flutter/flutter and docs: https://flutter.dev/docs

The web samples: https://flutter.github.io/samples/ Because they make this impossible to find. I literally pieced this link together from the fricking browser screenshot.

that alone should be an indication of “not yet ready...for demo”

edit : i’ve tested on latest ios safari on iphone SE.

not ready for demo. indeed it was good idea to hide links

Re: Flutter: a Portable UI Framework for Mobile, Web, Embedded, and Desktop

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Post by pacala » Wed, May 08, 2019, 12:03 AM UTC

michaelchisari wrote: post #41

gjmacd wrote: post #33

We need to learn yet another language (Dart)? No thanks.

It's a bloody simple language to learn if you already know one of the similar modern typed languages (Typescript, Swift, Kotlin, etc). You can honestly pick it up in a weekend, there's nothing particularly new or groundbreaking.

The language is easy. One can also learn English in 5 minutes: SUBJ-VERB-[JJ]*-OBJ, done! The library ecosystem and best practices on the other hand...

Re: Flutter: a Portable UI Framework for Mobile, Web, Embedded, and Desktop

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Post by pcj-github » Wed, May 08, 2019, 12:05 AM UTC

rpeden wrote: post #115

mevile wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You didn't even mention the Closure library which was released and then practically abandoned. We invested so much into Closure where I worked, with the promise that this is what Google used internally, when suddenly Angular dropped out of Google and that sucked up all the oxygen in the room.

Looking at the changes and fixes in recent releases of the Closure library, it sure doesn't look abandoned or even practically abandoned. I think I understand what you mean though. The Closure library looks good at what it does, but doesn't have a big ecosystem around it like React or Angular. I remember looking at the Closure library back in 2010 and decided against using it, but from what I can see it still looks p…

Closure user here! 2019 and I still love it! Yes, it's verbose but easy to understand what's it's doing... My project compiles ~1000 js files down to ~300kb. Works great with bazel. No better type system for javascript IMHO. :)

Re: Flutter: a Portable UI Framework for Mobile, Web, Embedded, and Desktop

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Post by pcr0 » Wed, May 08, 2019, 12:06 AM UTC

westoque wrote: post #101

ChikkaChiChi wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Faster speeds for some do not equate to faster speeds for all. This applies doubly so when bandwidth is metered and may cost the end user more money. Abstraction for the engineer should not come at the expense of the person on the other end of the wire.

I disagree. I think Ruby/Rails is a good example of this. They maximize on developer happiness but that doesn’t stop users from using a bloated rails app. Take a look at GitHub/GitLab as an example of a Rails app I guess?

I don't see how end users suffer from using Rails. Server side rerponse time is a very small component of page load time for most websites. It's different from being forced to download and parse megabytes of JS, which consumes CPU, battery and time.