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Re: Rio de Janeiro’s police killed a record number of people in three months

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Post by drewblaisdell »

brutally-honest wrote: post #26

Just posting this here in reply to a comment whose thread was flagged. Context is "whose definition of criminal should we use". How about "people openly flaunting assault weapons"? As someone who lived in Rio most of their life, I think that's a good line to draw. Opinions filled with "human rights" concerns from people far removed are probably ethically and morally correct, which is... cute. We're fighting an Urban…

> Opinions filled with "human rights" concerns from people far removed are probably ethically and morally correct, which is... cute. We're fighting an Urban War over here.

War is always a good excuse to ignore ethical concerns.

Re: Rio de Janeiro’s police killed a record number of people in three months

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Post by coldtea »

hazdiego wrote: post #11

Ironically, Rio de Janeiro is considered one of the safest capitals in Brazil [1]. The absolute numbers are high, but that's a huge city with millions of habitants. I lived there for 27 years in favelas like Rocinha and Santa Marta (when I didn't have money), and in apartments in Botafogo and Flamengo (after making money). I walked on the streets midnight and later. Nothing has ever happened to me. I've never even wi…

>Ironically, Rio de Janeiro is considered one of the safest capitals in Brazil [1]. The absolute numbers are high, but that's a huge city with millions of habitants.

Rio police are also globally considered fascist butchers... with frequent news stories of indiscriminately killing favela residents, kids, etc.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2018/08/16/police-killings-are-out-...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/feb/14/brazil-13-dead...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/30/brazil-rio-pol...

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2018/07/brazil-police...

https://www.humanium.org/en/children-victims-violence-brazil...

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/22/world/americas/police-kil...

Re: Rio de Janeiro’s police killed a record number of people in three months

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Post by hu3 »

gota wrote: post #22
hu3 wrote: post #19

edit: didn't know people downvoted statistics in HN. Conversely homicides in Brazil registered the sharpest decline in its history. https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/04/22/brazils-murder-rate-fin... > One of the world’s most homicidal countries just registered the sharpest overall decline of lethal violence in its history. Brazil’s murder rate dropped by a whopping 13 percent between 2017 and 2018, from more than 59,000…

Yes, but this _nothing to do_ with the issue of military police preemptively sniping people in slums. The drop in death rates is associated with 'peace treaties' between large criminal factions in peripheral states such as Rio Grande do Sul and, most importantly, Ceará. These factions have recently spread across Brazil (last decade and a half or so) and most recently, concurrently with the economical crisis of 2014~o…

Homicide rate more than halved in a trend that was already bearish. Reduction went from 13% in Jan 2018 to 25% in Jan 2019. I find this outstanding enough to be considered a new trend in itself.

Re: Rio de Janeiro’s police killed a record number of people in three months

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Post by the_jpg »

brutally-honest wrote: post #26

Just posting this here in reply to a comment whose thread was flagged. Context is "whose definition of criminal should we use". How about "people openly flaunting assault weapons"? As someone who lived in Rio most of their life, I think that's a good line to draw. Opinions filled with "human rights" concerns from people far removed are probably ethically and morally correct, which is... cute. We're fighting an Urban…

Everything that you said is right, my problem with this kind of policy is that they sell it as the solution, I think that is better to fight organized crime with intelligence instead of with raw force.

The weapons and the drugs that finance the traffic do not come from the poor communities, the crime in rio is deep within the society killing the poor that is already marginalized it’s not a soluction.

I agree with you on the other side, people with weapons should be treated as the threat that they are, but the public policy should not be just “kill theses guys and we are good”.

Re: Rio de Janeiro’s police killed a record number of people in three months

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Post by coldtea »

ramon wrote: post #29

Why is the Brazilian police officer wrong when he kills someone and why is any other officer in any other country right when he does the same? Mistakes happen it's part of this duty of being the police. It's a matter of solving the issues it's the most important thing. I was thinking about the other day since the police is so involved why not start investigating the police and what they own so you can understand wher…

>Why is the Brazilian police officer wrong when he kills someone and why is any other officer in any other country right when he does the same?

Who said that? They are wrong in many cases, whether the country.

>Mistakes happen it's part of this duty of being the police.

Killing urban poor indiscriminately whenever crime is suspected (or even widely overusing open fire even when crime is actually committed), are not mistakes, are policies. Fascist policies.

Brazil is as bad as the Philippines in this regard (and US trigger-happy cops and SWATing overuse are bad too, yes).

Re: Rio de Janeiro’s police killed a record number of people in three months

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Post by coldtea »

edpichler wrote: post #25

"... Rio de Janeiro police killed 434 citizens." All of them were innocents? Why do some journalists insist to call criminals as victims, citizens, and etc?

Being guilty of anything doesn't mean you get a death sentence by a cop.

There are courts and procedures for that.

When police just open fire, even when they're not in danger, or kill people by supervisor's suggestion, it's still murder.

Re: Rio de Janeiro’s police killed a record number of people in three months

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Post by hutzlibu »

drewblaisdell wrote: post #31
brutally-honest wrote: post #26

Just posting this here in reply to a comment whose thread was flagged. Context is "whose definition of criminal should we use". How about "people openly flaunting assault weapons"? As someone who lived in Rio most of their life, I think that's a good line to draw. Opinions filled with "human rights" concerns from people far removed are probably ethically and morally correct, which is... cute. We're fighting an Urban…

> Opinions filled with "human rights" concerns from people far removed are probably ethically and morally correct, which is... cute. We're fighting an Urban War over here. War is always a good excuse to ignore ethical concerns.

> War is always a good excuse to ignore ethical concerns.

On Both sides

Re: Rio de Janeiro’s police killed a record number of people in three months

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Post by hazdiego »

coldtea wrote: post #32
hazdiego wrote: post #11

Ironically, Rio de Janeiro is considered one of the safest capitals in Brazil [1]. The absolute numbers are high, but that's a huge city with millions of habitants. I lived there for 27 years in favelas like Rocinha and Santa Marta (when I didn't have money), and in apartments in Botafogo and Flamengo (after making money). I walked on the streets midnight and later. Nothing has ever happened to me. I've never even wi…

> Ironically, Rio de Janeiro is considered one of the safest capitals in Brazil [1]. The absolute numbers are high, but that's a huge city with millions of habitants. Rio police are also globally considered fascist butchers... with frequent news stories of indiscriminately killing favela residents, kids, etc. https://www.hrw.org/news/2018/08/16/police-killings-are-out-... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/feb/14…

I agree. My post is more in the direction of "the violence practiced by the police is disproportionate to the real violence of the city".

Although I never suffered anything from the police either (maybe because I'm not black and didn't look poor when I was poor), I've seen a bunch of racist approaches from them in many situations.

Of course, it's based on my own experience (27 years living there) and statistics I find on the internet (which may not count the violence that happens deeper in the favelas).

Re: Rio de Janeiro’s police killed a record number of people in three months

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Post by luckylion »

lawlessone wrote: post #10
rossenberg79 wrote: post #2

Probably should replace the word “people” in the title with “criminals” to be more specific, and less click-baity.

Knew this comment would pop up. Some people genuinely want to live in the Judge Dredd universe..

> Some people genuinely want to live in the Judge Dredd universe..

Pretty much everybody prefers that over total gang land chaos. Don't forget that "living in Scandinavia" isn't the usual alternative.

Re: Rio de Janeiro’s police killed a record number of people in three months

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Post by bliblah »

brutally-honest wrote: post #26

Just posting this here in reply to a comment whose thread was flagged. Context is "whose definition of criminal should we use". How about "people openly flaunting assault weapons"? As someone who lived in Rio most of their life, I think that's a good line to draw. Opinions filled with "human rights" concerns from people far removed are probably ethically and morally correct, which is... cute. We're fighting an Urban…

You imply that the police officers gain nothing from this state of affairs. In my own experience, a lot police officers grow up in the same hoods as the same criminals they pursue and the most corrupt ones use this to leverage relationships within gangs for money.

Just to give you an idea, an acquaintance of mine never knew his grandfather was in a federal prison, he was told it was a secure retirement home. The grandfather's crime was a dirty cop that had literal death squads killing people in cold blood for years and making money off dead dealers. He used the chaos in the streets to line his pockets with money and silence the people who tried to snitch on him.

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