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Rio de Janeiro’s police killed a record number of people in three months

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Re: Rio de Janeiro’s police killed a record number of people in three months

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Ironically, Rio de Janeiro is considered one of the safest capitals in Brazil [1]. The absolute numbers are high, but that's a huge city with millions of habitants.

I lived there for 27 years in favelas like Rocinha and Santa Marta (when I didn't have money), and in apartments in Botafogo and Flamengo (after making money). I walked on the streets midnight and later. Nothing has ever happened to me. I've never even witnessed anything.

Of course, it's my own experience and I have some privileges.

The only time I was robbed in my life I was in the US. My computer has been stolen in the Houston International Airport (thankfully, it was recovered by a super professional Mexican police officer).

[1] https://thebrazilbusiness.com/article/the-10-safest-state-ca...

Re: Rio de Janeiro’s police killed a record number of people in three months

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whose definition of 'criminal' are we using? Is it "anyone who dares defy police?" Or "someone who was in the wrong place at the wrong time and was mistaken by the police as the person they were after?" Or maybe you prefer "anyone who is a target of police inquiry and lethal force because they're obviously guilty?" Until the evidence is presented and decided upon, people are not criminals.

I think there’s a clear difference between “poor guy in the wrong place at the wrong time” and gang members dealing drugs and toting firearms .

The Unarmed Combatants killed by a drone strike type of situation. If they're dead, they must be the enemy.

Re: Rio de Janeiro’s police killed a record number of people in three months

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Probably should replace the word “people” in the title with “criminals” to be more specific, and less click-baity.

That's debatable. Because the police (especially the military police) should not be judge, jury and executioner. I'm on the fence about this as I don't have enough information to form an opinion. I'm European living in the US and so far removed from anything happening in South America that I cannot judge based on the news. I have one Brazilian friend who does agree with this approach so that's that. Bun in general, t…

This is what the Brazilian people asked for. And I’m willing to bet if anyone who disagrees spends some time living in the hard areas of Brazil, they will agree with it too.

In the short term, “judge, jury and executioner” can be a perfectly fine policy because criminals tend to be very obvious in places where law has broken down, at least the violent ones.

Re: Rio de Janeiro’s police killed a record number of people in three months

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Ironically, Rio de Janeiro is considered one of the safest capitals in Brazil [1]. The absolute numbers are high, but that's a huge city with millions of habitants. I lived there for 27 years in favelas like Rocinha and Santa Marta (when I didn't have money), and in apartments in Botafogo and Flamengo (after making money). I walked on the streets midnight and later. Nothing has ever happened to me. I've never even wi…

How was your laptop stolen in Houston recovered by a Mexican police officer? Was there Mexican customs officers or baggage handlers at the Houston airport?

I had a friend have his $2500 Macbook stolen from his bag by baggage handlers while in a Thai airport. You're lucky you got it back.

Re: Rio de Janeiro’s police killed a record number of people in three months

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Probably should replace the word “people” in the title with “criminals” to be more specific, and less click-baity.

That's debatable. Because the police (especially the military police) should not be judge, jury and executioner. I'm on the fence about this as I don't have enough information to form an opinion. I'm European living in the US and so far removed from anything happening in South America that I cannot judge based on the news. I have one Brazilian friend who does agree with this approach so that's that. Bun in general, t…

Reply to the grandparent, now dead/flagged:

Criminals are people too. Your distinction would apply if the headline had "non-criminals" (a rare construct, but for sake of comparison, akin to "civilians" or noncombatants) instead of "criminals".

The geography of Rio's slums makes killing innocent people rather easy even if you don't set out to kill them; however, there's significant paramilitary activity in the area, both as the drug trade groups you mention, made up of civilians, and groups of officers and ex-officers who initially ran protection rackets, but now run drug operations too. These officers are often high up on the police hierarchy, and use the police structure for their own goals.

(As a reply to another comment: fascism and various genocides have been asked for by citizens throughout history; public approval doesn't make a policy good or moral per se.)

An example of what their "judge, jury and executioner" mandate can bring, aside from direct executions: https://www.latimes.com/world/la-fg-brazil-rio-militias-2019...

Re: Rio de Janeiro’s police killed a record number of people in three months

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Probably should replace the word “people” in the title with “criminals” to be more specific, and less click-baity.

In absence of an actual conviction I think "people" is a fine description.

Even with an actual conviction, I'm pretty sure "people" is still the appropriate way to describe humans.

Re: Rio de Janeiro’s police killed a record number of people in three months

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Probably should replace the word “people” in the title with “criminals” to be more specific, and less click-baity.

Knew this comment would pop up. Some people genuinely want to live in the Judge Dredd universe..

Nearly every news website's comment section for a serious crime has someone saying "we should just line them up and shoot thm, save everyone the time and money". As if this hasn't been said a million times and wasn't a terrible idea each of those million times.

Anyone can spend 2min googling "wrongful convictions" and the number of people found innocent by the judicial process to see why.

Not to mention the whole reason why "lynch mob" style justice is a terrible idea (it's a highly emotional process which gets it wrong wayyy more often than courts/police, the punishments are often way out of proportion to the crimes, no due process, etc, etc).

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edit: didn't know people downvoted statistics in HN.

Conversely homicides in Brazil registered the sharpest decline in its history.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/04/22/brazils-murder-rate-fin...

> One of the world’s most homicidal countries just registered the sharpest overall decline of lethal violence in its history. Brazil’s murder rate dropped by a whopping 13 percent between 2017 and 2018, from more than 59,000 people killed to just over 51,000. And homicides fell by 25 percent in the first two months of 2019 compared with the same period last year.

Re: Rio de Janeiro’s police killed a record number of people in three months

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post #14

Ironically, Rio de Janeiro is considered one of the safest capitals in Brazil [1]. The absolute numbers are high, but that's a huge city with millions of habitants. I lived there for 27 years in favelas like Rocinha and Santa Marta (when I didn't have money), and in apartments in Botafogo and Flamengo (after making money). I walked on the streets midnight and later. Nothing has ever happened to me. I've never even wi…

How was your laptop stolen in Houston recovered by a Mexican police officer? Was there Mexican customs officers or baggage handlers at the Houston airport? I had a friend have his $2500 Macbook stolen from his bag by baggage handlers while in a Thai airport. You're lucky you got it back.

Mine was a Macbook too. It was stolen on that security part where you have to put your personal belongs on the "running machine" (no idea how to call that) and pass through the scanner.

The woman that passed before me took my laptop. I thought it was by mistake, but the cameras proved otherwise.

Surprisingly or not, nobody cared. I was already hopeless in the airplane (which was late because of it) when this police officer came with my computer. I don't know what happened to the woman.

The police officer was American. I said he was Mexican because he was speaking Spanish with us (which helped, because my wife's Spanish is better than my English, and I was too anxious to speak).

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