If were talking about aliens, I think it's more plausible that these things live somewhere on the ocean floor rather than on an another planet.
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What Is Going on with UFOs and the Department of Defense?
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#132My guess is it's the US military projecting. They've almost certainly got covert flying vehicles cruising around so naturally they'd want to know about any sightings of their own craft, or an enemy doing the same thing in the airspace. What better way to gauge how well the tech is working than by crowdsourcing the sightings?
The problem here is defying the "laws" of physics. Of course, we're probably wrong about them and the universe could very well be a multidimensional place, but so far as we know no plane or drone can fly that way.
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#133this is probably military needing new legal framework to operate according to now that china plans to land and stay on the moon, India has tested satellite shooting weapons and russia has been investing in its 'space force'
Efficient Anti-satellite weapons are low-tech if we are talking about space-to-space combat.
Heck, I read an article in Russian that argued that bows+arrows or catapults/ballistae could be efficient weapons when compared to lasers that you see in SciFi.
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The US - both the general public and the state itself - vastly overestimated the capabilities of the Soviet armed forces. I don’t think that’s true for China, at least not today.
The Soviets had vast presence in Europe and were credible ideological opponents. China is contained in South East Asia and poses no ideological threat to the West.
Are you unaware of China's Belt and Road initiative? Confucious Institutes at U.S. universities?
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bob_Lazar§i... I don’t think anyone serious takes Bob Lazar seriously!
Why not?
His story is full of holes. He claims that he has a master’a degree in physics, but cannot produce a diploma, his master’s thesis of the names of any classmates or professors. Furthermore, he has never demonstrated that level of knowledge of physics and the things that he does say are bizarre at best.
There’s no evidence that The facility that he allegedly worked exists. There isn’t any trace of roads or any infrastructure for it. The location that he gives is right on the edge of the restricted airspace surrounding Area 51, which seems odd for a super secret facility.
There are a bunch of little things. In one interview he mentions seeing an alien through a window in a door. His escort guard tells him not to look. Somehow the government is able to secretly reverse engineer alien technology, but can’t spring for some curtains?
To put it simply, there’s no evidence to support it. He has never been able to produce a sample of any extraterrestrial material nor has he shown that he has any knowledge that is beyond current physics.
Personally, I’m fond of [this idea](http://www.otherhand.org/home-page/area-51-and-other-strange...). Basically that Bob Lazar schmoozed his way into a job at Area 51 due to a chance meeting with Edward Teller. He brought people to watch a classified test (of experimental, but completely terrestrial technology) and got into deep shit over it.
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#136Friendly reminder: UFO stands for Unidentified Flying Object, not Suspected Alien Aircraft From Another Planet. Asking "why the hell" the DOD would be interested in Unidentified phenomenon in its territory goes well beyond sensationalism and straight into stupidity.
I thought the same when I saw the article contain the line "related to encounters with what many would call UFOs". Well what else would they call them if they don't fucking know what they are?!
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>missile testing This reminds me of something I saw that I never really talked about. Maybe about 7 years ago, I was out bicycling at around 10pm at night outside of Socorro NM (a small desert college town), and to the west I saw a light appear from behind some mountains steadily heading up and north in a slightly curved path. I thought it was a plane or a helicopter until it suddenly disappeared after about 30 secon…
Crown flash, maybe? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dapweXhhfLU
Nah it was way after sunset, it was definitely a point light source, the repetitions followed a strict schedule (I had started watching the time after the third one), and it had the steady motion you'd expect of an object with mass propelling itself that an illusion wouldn't necessarily have. It really seemed like a fast plane in the distance at night, and I wouldn't have given it a second thought had it not been for the disappearance or the repetition. I believe I saw a puff of light when it winked out, but it was hard to tell. The mountains it appeared behind were 10 miles away, and it was probably further than that.
The town was surrounded by various explosives testing ranges. Occasionally everyone would hear the loud thump of a bomb being test during the day. Mythbusters was known for using some bomb range nearby. I'm pretty confident it was some kind of military or scientific test I saw, I'm just mainly curious about the specifics.
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#138I'm surprised the article doesn't reference the recent Bob Lazar documentary which deals with this alleged tech from a first-hand perspective (Bob was a whistleblower in a lab that worked on a kind of gravity drive, according to him.) It's quite well-produced, and it's probably the only UFO-related film I consider worth watching: https://itunes.apple.com/us/movie/bob-lazar-area-51-flying-s...
Oh, lord. Bob has been thoroughly discredited. Like utterly and completely. His credentials do not check out. Nothing he says checks out. Nothing he says even makes sense when you apply the most basic understanding of physics or even simple logic to his claims. But the guy is amazing to listen to, and I really think he believes every word he says. And that's a bit scary — to be that deluded.
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Any blanket criticism of millions or billions of people is bound to be highly inaccurate and also have some non zero degree of accuracy just due to the sheer numbers of people and how common these traits are in any population. Racism is taking the non-zero existence of a complaint and extrapolating it to the broader population without caring to get to know the individual people. Unfortunately, it was probably an evol…
Why do you think it is a biological trait rather than a politically useful tool? What do we know about racism outside the context of complex mass societies with highly stratified classes of members? Maybe it's an effective con and not a natural instict.
Don't we know that chimps engage in large scale tribal warfare. And that our ancestors killed off the Neanderthals
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#140My guess is it's the US military projecting. They've almost certainly got covert flying vehicles cruising around so naturally they'd want to know about any sightings of their own craft, or an enemy doing the same thing in the airspace. What better way to gauge how well the tech is working than by crowdsourcing the sightings?
Nick Cook wrote a book in 2001 entitled The Hunt for Zero Point: Inside the Classified World of Antigravity . It's notable because Cook was an editor for Jane's Defense Weekly, a legendary and reputable defense publication of the utmost credibility. A few years ago in a thread similar to this I discussed[0] and dissected[1] the book. My conclusion was that Cook is mistaken, but given incidents like this, and the fact…
It never hurts to wonder. If we assume the Tic Tac is a man made craft, it doesn't seem a far stretch to also assume it may employ antigravitics. Perhaps it can be traced back to Die Glocke [1]. Your linked HN posts also mention Hutchison, an interesting character who appears repeatedly down the rabbit hole, where you'll also discover Schauberger and Leedskalnin. There's a lot of smoke and mirrors in these topics, which often delve into conspiracy and pseudoscience, making it hard to discuss them without sounding like a crazy person. In any case, it's fascinating to ponder, even if it's all just science fiction.