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What Is Going on with UFOs and the Department of Defense?

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Re: What Is Going on with UFOs and the Department of Defense?

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post #55

I have seen UFO-s twice. First time in early 1990ies, second time it was about 10 years ago. First sight looked like a formation of lights that moved in sync across the night sky in a straight line. The formation was long, like a long rectangle or long cylinder made of stars. Not too many stars, maybe a hundred. Moving slowly straight in the direction of it's length. I could not tell how far it was, so I can't really…

>first situation

I wonder if it's possible that you saw multiple satellites at once moving in the sky?

>second situation

I wonder if a meteor could bounce when it hits a denser part of the atmosphere and change direction a bit, and maybe it was only the angle you were seeing it from that made the change in direction look as extreme as 90 degrees?

Re: What Is Going on with UFOs and the Department of Defense?

#112

The last time this got a lot of publicity in the 80s, it was cover for tomahawk missile testing. The other possibility is some nut job in the administration has a pet project.

>missile testing

This reminds me of something I saw that I never really talked about. Maybe about 7 years ago, I was out bicycling at around 10pm at night outside of Socorro NM (a small desert college town), and to the west I saw a light appear from behind some mountains steadily heading up and north in a slightly curved path. I thought it was a plane or a helicopter until it suddenly disappeared after about 30 seconds. I assumed it turned off its lights or that I somehow misunderstood what I saw, but a minute later, a new light appeared from the same original spot, followed the path again, and disappeared. This sequence repeated maybe ten times. I assume it was some kind of missile test that I saw. The White Sands Missile Range was 10+ miles to the southeast (the wrong direction), though I think I remember there also being other explosive testing ranges nearby to the west. I would love to know what exactly I saw, though I never knew how to go about finding that out even if the information was published somewhere.

Re: What Is Going on with UFOs and the Department of Defense?

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So, take this for what it's worth. I have known a few individuals who have been involved in various areas of the military. One was an aircraft engineer working on black projects. One was in COMSEC. One was a nuclear engineer.

One of them walked into the wrong hanger once and was face-to-face with a disc type something-or-other that he was not supposed to see, and was basically told "You didn't see that, and don't ever say you did."

One told of several incidents, and one in particular that was rather startling, tracking objects across North America that were going at seemingly impossible speeds and changing vectors in ways that would tear any convention craft apart. They were picked up on multiple instrument arrays across the country.

One was working on advanced propulsion, real science fiction type stuff, but was moved to other projects when he started asking the wrong questions. I'm being deliberately obtuse here.

There are reliable individuals. They aren't crazy, and they aren't conspiracy nuts.

I am convinced that these things are not anomalies, and that they are terrestrial in origin. All but one of my afore-mentioned friends disagree with me. They think they are alien, but this is only their opinion. None of them had any "inside" knowledge that the military is aware of alien craft. But when you are an engineer, and know what's physically possible given our current level of technology and materials science, I suppose I cannot fault them for jumping to that conclusion.

The thing is, calling it "alien" doesn't solve that particular difficulty. If you assume that the things are real, then what they are doing is physically possible. And if it is physically possible, then it is theoretically possible for us to do it. So applying occam's razor, you don't need to invoke aliens. It is far more likely that someone figured it out, especially someones with multi-billion dollar black budgets working over decades with the brightest minds on the planet.

Re: What Is Going on with UFOs and the Department of Defense?

#114
post #75

They may be US drones. If some stealth technology needs to be field tested, flying around a carrier group on a training mission is a good way to do it. Something like the XQ-58A Valkyrie combat drone or the BQM-167A target drone. Those are unclassified and have performance beyond what most manned aircraft can do. There are probably others that are still classified.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't "drone" simply refer to an unmanned and remotely controlled aircraft? If so, being a drone doesn't explain how such a craft could defy what (the general public) knows about the physics of flight. Drone or not, how does something descend from 60,000 feet to 500 feet in a few seconds, as the story says?

Re: What Is Going on with UFOs and the Department of Defense?

#115
post #39

My guess is it's the US military projecting. They've almost certainly got covert flying vehicles cruising around so naturally they'd want to know about any sightings of their own craft, or an enemy doing the same thing in the airspace. What better way to gauge how well the tech is working than by crowdsourcing the sightings?

Nick Cook wrote a book in 2001 entitled The Hunt for Zero Point: Inside the Classified World of Antigravity . It's notable because Cook was an editor for Jane's Defense Weekly, a legendary and reputable defense publication of the utmost credibility. A few years ago in a thread similar to this I discussed[0] and dissected[1] the book. My conclusion was that Cook is mistaken, but given incidents like this, and the fact…

It's entirely possible that there have been secret R&D programs looking into such things. It's also possible that these programs were fruitless since there may not be such a thing or the energies required to access it may be way past our Kardashev ranking.

Re: What Is Going on with UFOs and the Department of Defense?

#116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's actually schemes to detect stealth aircraft through the changes in signal strength they induce in cell phones below their flight path. Not precise enough for targeting, but good enough to put up a plane to confirm...

Assume this only covers stealth planes flying below the height of the base stations?

Cell towers are too low to use them to detect a stealth plane passing in between their antennas and anything on the ground, but satellites could be used. We're surrounded by radio signals originating from the sky, so at least in theory the right equipment could detect a stealth plane not thanks to the radio waves it reflects but the ones it doesn't let pass through itself.

Re: What Is Going on with UFOs and the Department of Defense?

#117

I'm surprised the article doesn't reference the recent Bob Lazar documentary which deals with this alleged tech from a first-hand perspective (Bob was a whistleblower in a lab that worked on a kind of gravity drive, according to him.) It's quite well-produced, and it's probably the only UFO-related film I consider worth watching: https://itunes.apple.com/us/movie/bob-lazar-area-51-flying-s...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bob_Lazar&secti... I don’t think anyone serious takes Bob Lazar seriously!

My favorite speculation about Lazar is that they subjected him to some kind of giant put on (basically a black project version of the "big store" con) as some kind of disinformation campaign aimed at foreign intelligence or even just some kind of social engineering experiment. Lazar saw what he saw, but it was fake.

Re: What Is Going on with UFOs and the Department of Defense?

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Applying Occam's Razor: It's an elaborate disinformation campaign to persuade foreign adversaries to spend money on threats that don't exist. Inflatable tanks and planes of WWII taken to the modern era, long-con fakery facilitated and amplified by social media. NORAD could also vector a large white, odd-shaped aircraft with much separation from commercial traffic with their transponder switched off to seem like that…

Perhaps you do not understand what Occam's Razor means when you lead off your explanation by describing it as an 'elaborate' disinformation campaign

Re: What Is Going on with UFOs and the Department of Defense?

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post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“I've noticed a weird kind of racism in some folks who talk about China: they simultaneously think they'll conquer the world and that they can't invent technology on their own.” That’s just normal racism. Mexicans are too lazy to work, but come here and steal our jobs. Muslims come here to force Sharia Law on everyone, but fail to integrate and keep to themselves. Illegals are using public services for free, but pay…

Any blanket criticism of millions or billions of people is bound to be highly inaccurate and also have some non zero degree of accuracy just due to the sheer numbers of people and how common these traits are in any population. Racism is taking the non-zero existence of a complaint and extrapolating it to the broader population without caring to get to know the individual people. Unfortunately, it was probably an evol…

Why do you think it is a biological trait rather than a politically useful tool? What do we know about racism outside the context of complex mass societies with highly stratified classes of members? Maybe it's an effective con and not a natural instict.

Re: What Is Going on with UFOs and the Department of Defense?

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Having dealt with some of these systems, let me tell you up front, its entirely possible it's nothing. I've seen tracks like those suggested in the article pass directly overhead support vessels during maneuvers, and theres nothing there. It can happen a few times a day or even hour, and just means your sensor fusion is a bit janky. tfa: "This, in turn, provides very high fidelity 'tracks' of targets thanks to teleme…

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