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What Is Going on with UFOs and the Department of Defense?

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Re: What Is Going on with UFOs and the Department of Defense?

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Post by mimixco »

sgt101 wrote: post #51

So, what if the US Airforce.. or CIA.. have technology that can bugger around with the cockpits and instruments of US Navy fighters? Or arbitrary other aircraft cockpits. Now, they don't want to say that they have this, but they want other people (like the Russians and Chinese and French) to know that they do have it. Or at least to make them think that they would like them to think that they have it. Would you see f…

How does fudging instrument displays explain the visual sightings by humans? No agenda here, but I do think those must be assessed on their own merits or lack thereof.

Re: What Is Going on with UFOs and the Department of Defense?

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Post by Evidlo »

AgentME wrote: post #112
Spooky23 wrote: post #35

The last time this got a lot of publicity in the 80s, it was cover for tomahawk missile testing. The other possibility is some nut job in the administration has a pet project.

>missile testing This reminds me of something I saw that I never really talked about. Maybe about 7 years ago, I was out bicycling at around 10pm at night outside of Socorro NM (a small desert college town), and to the west I saw a light appear from behind some mountains steadily heading up and north in a slightly curved path. I thought it was a plane or a helicopter until it suddenly disappeared after about 30 secon…

Crown flash, maybe?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dapweXhhfLU

Re: What Is Going on with UFOs and the Department of Defense?

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Post by LyndsySimon »

ethelward wrote: post #63
dontbenebby wrote: post #61

My favorite conspiracy theory (emphasis on theory, this is pure speculation) is they're Chinese drones. The logic basically goes that 3M accidentally created a force field[1] in a factory[2], factories are mostly in China now, so if "running a factory" leads to antigravity tech, China would be the ones to develop it. As much as "I want to believe", if it's true they're not American, it's quite possible they're not al…

> I've noticed a weird kind of racism in some folks who talk about China: they simultaneously think they'll conquer the world and that they can't invent technology on their own. China is the new USSR :)

The US - both the general public and the state itself - vastly overestimated the capabilities of the Soviet armed forces.

I don’t think that’s true for China, at least not today.

Re: What Is Going on with UFOs and the Department of Defense?

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Post by gspetr »

dontbenebby wrote: post #61

My favorite conspiracy theory (emphasis on theory, this is pure speculation) is they're Chinese drones. The logic basically goes that 3M accidentally created a force field[1] in a factory[2], factories are mostly in China now, so if "running a factory" leads to antigravity tech, China would be the ones to develop it. As much as "I want to believe", if it's true they're not American, it's quite possible they're not al…

The problem with that is, there are credible sightings from quite a while ago, before drones really took off, not to mention the speed, acceleration and size of the "drones" are far superior to any drone.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_O%27Hare_International_Ai...

Airport employees, pilots and bystanders have all reported seeing it, but it was dismissed. I remember seeing an interview with a retired Air Force officer who said that nothing's being done about the supposed UFOs is because once you start working on something people will demand results, and if you say we can't do a damn thing about these, your career will be in jeopardy.

Re: What Is Going on with UFOs and the Department of Defense?

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Post by mimixco »

ufologist wrote: post #2

I think this class of UFO (the floating tic tac) is the result of secret rail gun testing projects, with novel inertial guidance packages inside them. Hence the lack of any obvious propulsion. They’re a new kind of guided ballistic penetrator, maybe with aerogel exteriors, and steerable internals.

How does an object fired from a rail gun ascend from the ocean floor or hover over it?

Re: What Is Going on with UFOs and the Department of Defense?

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Post by Evidlo »

64738 wrote: post #82
qpiox wrote: post #55

I have seen UFO-s twice. First time in early 1990ies, second time it was about 10 years ago. First sight looked like a formation of lights that moved in sync across the night sky in a straight line. The formation was long, like a long rectangle or long cylinder made of stars. Not too many stars, maybe a hundred. Moving slowly straight in the direction of it's length. I could not tell how far it was, so I can't really…

Exactly. I believe I saw one or more UFOs when I was kid, maybe 10 or 11 years old, while riding my bike to a local park. Three or four stationary white lights in the sky, equidistant from each other. Of note, this was in an early afternoon mid-summer day without a cloud in the sky. And they weren't drones, this was in the late 70s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_dog

Re: What Is Going on with UFOs and the Department of Defense?

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Post by gspetr »

LyndsySimon wrote: post #123
ethelward wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I've noticed a weird kind of racism in some folks who talk about China: they simultaneously think they'll conquer the world and that they can't invent technology on their own. China is the new USSR :)

The US - both the general public and the state itself - vastly overestimated the capabilities of the Soviet armed forces. I don’t think that’s true for China, at least not today.

The Soviets had vast presence in Europe and were credible ideological opponents.

China is contained in South East Asia and poses no ideological threat to the West.

Re: What Is Going on with UFOs and the Department of Defense?

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Post by dtagames »

Judgmentality wrote: post #17
beyotf45dluyt wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. No, it doesn't require extraordinary evidence. https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11406-016-9779-7

I appreciate you providing a link, but am hoping for a tl;dr after realizing just how long that article is.

I like TL;DRs, too and sometimes post them myself, but not every subject can be reduced to that. Sometimes you just have to read or write long form documents.

What's the TL;DR for WWII? What's the TL;DR for the taxonomy of animal species, or how to run a nuke plant?

Re: What Is Going on with UFOs and the Department of Defense?

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Post by mimixco »

DoctorOetker wrote: post #62
shrimp_emoji wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Tic Tac thing is insane. As far as I understand, its evidence was: - At least two radar systems (boat and then plane) registering it - At least two IR/thermal imaging systems (the two planes') registering it - At least four eye-witnesses registering something when looking for it (two people on each plane, seeing something large near the water's surface with the Tic Tac coming out and flying around) - The ship rad…

from the article, a description of "Cooperative Engagement Capability (CEC)" system: >What most don't realize is that the Nimitz Carrier Strike Group wasn't just equipped with some of the most advanced sensors the world had to offer, but that it also had hands-down the most advanced networking and computer processing capability of any such system. Dubbed Cooperative Engagement Capability (CEC), this integrated air de…

An excellent point which no one else has brought up. Like the old programming saying goes, "GIGO," garbage in, garbage out.

Re: What Is Going on with UFOs and the Department of Defense?

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Post by StavrosK »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #56

Friendly reminder: UFO stands for Unidentified Flying Object, not Suspected Alien Aircraft From Another Planet. Asking "why the hell" the DOD would be interested in Unidentified phenomenon in its territory goes well beyond sensationalism and straight into stupidity.

I thought the same when I saw the article contain the line "related to encounters with what many would call UFOs".

Well what else would they call them if they don't fucking know what they are?!

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