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Re: JetBlue explains to a passenger how it got a photo of her face

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Post by ben_w »

_Codemonkeyism wrote: post #178
skrebbel wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Xi Jinping is trying pretty hard.

Stalin is 10M deads in the lead.

I thought most of those deaths were indirectly, resulting from agricultural and economic policies and forced relocations and only a relatively (10%) small number of executions?

If you include economic causes, you might need to include the excess mortality of systematically impoverished communities in western nations — and I don’t just mean “PoC in the USA”, as I can point to a UK study claiming the government’s austerity policies since 2010 have caused 120,000 excess deaths: https://www.bmj.com/company/newsroom/health-and-social-care-...

Also, if those deaths were related to economic policies, you probably have to weigh them by population size.

Obviously that’s still a million executions more than most; I am not defending him, this is just about making it an apples-to-apples comparison.

Re: JetBlue explains to a passenger how it got a photo of her face

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Post by mgbmtl »

URSpider94 wrote: post #148
gumby wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's important to know who is crossing the border, in both directions. Why? And if there exists an important reason to know that someone is exiting the country does that same criterion not also apply to exiting a state or city or neighborhood? I am not being sarcastic; I am genuinely unable to come up with a reason it's important to track who leaves almost any place, except in highly unusual cases (e.g. "OK guys, c…

Its worth pointing out that the US is literally the only country in the world that I have visited, in my recollection, that does not have passport control upon exiting the country.

Neither does Canada.

Re: JetBlue explains to a passenger how it got a photo of her face

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Post by lazerwalker »

biztos wrote: post #175
URSpider94 wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its worth pointing out that the US is literally the only country in the world that I have visited, in my recollection, that does not have passport control upon exiting the country.

I know it's not quite the same thing, but most countries in the EU have no passport control upon exiting or entering the country as long as it's within the Schengen zone. So France has basically no idea who shows up from Germany or leaves via Belgium. The countries on the external borders are supposed to handle all that. Now I suppose it's possible there is a lot of data exchanged in real time and so on, but it's als…

To the parent's point, though, passports ARE checked at the point you exit the Schengen area, whereas they're generally not when you leave the US.

Re: JetBlue explains to a passenger how it got a photo of her face

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Post by mgbmtl »

jacobolus wrote: post #169
mrighele wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They don’t “need to know” for reasons which are of significant practical benefit to citizens/residents. Staying for more than six months is usually one of the main measures to determine if one is resident and should pay taxes in the country, so there is at least a very good reason (although I don't know how much this applies to the USA specifically).

Anyone who earns income working in the USA has to pay US income and payroll taxes.

Except if you are working for a company that is sending you to the US (your company makes the income). It's easy to argue for 2-3 weeks, harder to argue for over 2 months.

Re: JetBlue explains to a passenger how it got a photo of her face

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Post by raxxorrax »

tehjoker wrote: post #145

This essentially gives the government much tighter control of a process that, while decent, has some loose ends in it. For instance, document forging is something that is less effective than it used to be given digital chips and facial recognition. It is of course legitimate for a democracy to check things like which plants are coming across the border and to deny access or apprehend war criminals and the like. Howev…

Sadly, fear was the strongest motivator for policies of this kind. If you get rid of increased controls on airports, flying would still be the safest form of travel and terrorism is a negligible danger exaggerated by media reporting. It is ridiculous what latest generation of politicians will leave behind. How can we get rid of this madness?

Re: JetBlue explains to a passenger how it got a photo of her face

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Post by estsauver »

ben_w wrote: post #191
_Codemonkeyism wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stalin is 10M deads in the lead.

I thought most of those deaths were indirectly, resulting from agricultural and economic policies and forced relocations and only a relatively (10%) small number of executions? If you include economic causes, you might need to include the excess mortality of systematically impoverished communities in western nations — and I don’t just mean “PoC in the USA”, as I can point to a UK study claiming the government’s auste…

There's some evidence it was not accidental: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor#Genocide_question

Re: JetBlue explains to a passenger how it got a photo of her face

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Post by estsauver »

things wrote: post #162
jpalomaki wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Europe there’s automated passport control gates with face recognition in several airports. These are based on the photo stored on passport. Not sure how automatic these are - would be of course possible to have a human there looking at the photos. According to quick search there’s no specific resolution requirement for the image in biometric passport, but size should be min 12kB to have recognizable image. https:/…

There is a human looking at the photos. When you take the Eurostar you can see them sitting in a booth after the gates. If you look into the booth as you pass, you'll see a grid of photos on screen. I'm assuming they're overseeing it all rather than checking everything manually. I noticed that these gates were quite slow ID'ing me the first couple of times I went through them but now I hardly have the time to see my…

I've had a beard and not, a shaved head and not, and mine feel slower than others. Tough to verify with an N=1, but that wouldn't really surprise me if they were.

I'm also flying to Kenya and other E. African countries so it wouldn't be surprising if they flagged me.

Re: JetBlue explains to a passenger how it got a photo of her face

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Post by thekyle »

markdown wrote: post #100
unreal37 wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They say that the photos are discarded after being compared by the government on government servers with the original. So you're saying, they're lying. Which might be true. But you'd need to prove that.

> So you're saying, they're lying. Which might be true. But you'd need to prove that. I've read repeatedly on HN over the past couple of months (re: Boeing and Facebook) that these corporations are required to lie about the naughty things they do. The shareholders' interest must be protected at all cost.

If a company is caught taking on additional risk that they explicitly said they weren't then that is a very good case for shareholders to sue.

Re: JetBlue explains to a passenger how it got a photo of her face

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Post by mschuster91 »

raxxorrax wrote: post #195
tehjoker wrote: post #145

This essentially gives the government much tighter control of a process that, while decent, has some loose ends in it. For instance, document forging is something that is less effective than it used to be given digital chips and facial recognition. It is of course legitimate for a democracy to check things like which plants are coming across the border and to deny access or apprehend war criminals and the like. Howev…

Sadly, fear was the strongest motivator for policies of this kind. If you get rid of increased controls on airports, flying would still be the safest form of travel and terrorism is a negligible danger exaggerated by media reporting. It is ridiculous what latest generation of politicians will leave behind. How can we get rid of this madness?

> How can we get rid of this madness?

Hold politicians accountable for what they are doing, from the local community to the President. Defend the freedom of the press, especially when Trump goes on a rampage again. Vote for someone better than him, vote for someone actually progressive. Convince family, friends and co-workers. Organize yourself and head on to the streets.

For those willing to practice with arms, join Redneck Revolt. Protest against Nazis taking the streets, protest them wherever they appear and want to spread their propaganda.

Oh, and a look towards France and the Yellow Vests is never wrong. The willingness of the French to go on mass strikes and the occasional riot has proven to be very effective against the worst of neoliberal politics over the last decades.

Re: JetBlue explains to a passenger how it got a photo of her face

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Post by oasisbob »

warp_factor wrote: post #167
URSpider94 wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its worth pointing out that the US is literally the only country in the world that I have visited, in my recollection, that does not have passport control upon exiting the country.

you would have passport control if you exited the country through some other non conventional ways. The airlines are giving out all the information, that's why there is no need to do an exit passport control.

> you would have passport control if you exited the country through some other non conventional ways.

From the US? I can't think of any outgoing passport control at all; not by land in a private vehicle, nor by boat.

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