China’s vast fleet is tipping the balance in the Pacific

Post by roenxi » Thu, May 02, 2019, 12:59 AM UTC

stcredzero wrote: post #28

empath75 wrote: post #25

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Just in a practical global stability sense it would probably be best if China re assumed its historical role as regional hegemon. I actually think it would be better for the us to unburden ourselves of the need to provide security for Taiwan, japan and Korea, as long as we continue to have trade agreements. I realize that their system of government isn’t great and violates human rights on a massive scale, but in term…

I realize that their system of government isn’t great and violates human rights on a massive scale, but in terms of foreign policy and the actual usage of their military for the past several decades, they’ve been a lot more reasonable and done far less damage than the us has. Basically, because the US geopolitical strategy has kept them in check. Give them access to the world's oceans and the global stage to play in,…

Post by T-A » Thu, May 02, 2019, 1:06 AM UTC

chriselles wrote: post #40

I don't see any reason to panic. In raw numbers the US Navy is technologically and numerically dominant. But China will increasingly be able to surge "mass" in terms of both technology and numbers to dominate its near shore and achieve theatre level superiority. China is building out it's military in a way that is akin to the US Reagan led 1980's. But what concerns me the most is not PLAN versus US Navy, but China/BA…

Post by drenvuk » Thu, May 02, 2019, 1:07 AM UTC

ilaksh wrote: post #16

drenvuk wrote: post #2

Great. I doubt this is the beginning of WW3 but considering what's happening with Vietnam and Myanmar I'd bet that we'll have a new hegemony that Taiwan falls under if nothing changes in the next 5 years or so. Does anyone have any books on the economics of war/war of economics and such? I'm wondering where else this could go.

What's happening with Vietnam and Myanmar?

Post by dflock » Thu, May 02, 2019, 1:13 AM UTC

expressrunning wrote: post #39

ilaksh wrote: post #17

I guess it's probably not very realistic but to me the only way to get to real security that you can count on to last is to change the whole paradigm. I mean the basic premise is that the bottom line for control is deadly force. Maybe there really is no alternative but I think it's worth mentioning that as long is that is the operating mode, there is no real security for human life. You can certainly have extended pe…

That’s not true. Economic sanctions is the ultimate weapon these days. Look at Ukraine and Russia. Russia is now in its 5th year of sanction from EU and US and others. As a result, a withering economy and massive population outflow for Russia. Also look at the effects of sanctions against Iran and Venezuela. Both are collapsing. Imagine the effects of sanction on an economy as big as China.

Post by est31 » Thu, May 02, 2019, 1:17 AM UTC

chriselles wrote: post #40

I don't see any reason to panic. In raw numbers the US Navy is technologically and numerically dominant. But China will increasingly be able to surge "mass" in terms of both technology and numbers to dominate its near shore and achieve theatre level superiority. China is building out it's military in a way that is akin to the US Reagan led 1980's. But what concerns me the most is not PLAN versus US Navy, but China/BA…