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Re: Fedora 30

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Post by lnkmails »

harrygeez wrote: post #51
sandGorgon wrote: post #42

Fedora and the Dell XPS laptop are the current best of breed developer machines. Top notch keyboards, brilliant OS and a futuristic architecture (Silverblue - all containers all the way down). My compan has a couple hundred cheap AMD ryzen laptops with Fedora giving macbook pros a run for their money! I spend about 500$ on them (which includes a SSD). Its the world class desktop OS for the developing world!

I'd love to share your enthusiasm but until we get macOS-level consistent touchpad gestures, rock-solid stability, instant wake from suspend without draining battery consistently, great GPU drivers, ...(I can go on), it is difficult to proclaim that. I love developing on Linux too, and I really want it to be the best, but it's just not there yet.

I have a thinkpad X1 carbon and been running Fedora 30 beta for a month now. I am yet to see any issues in touchpad or stability. Gnome shell crashes every now and then but if they didn't notify me about it, I won't even know about it. S3 suspend works great and flicker free boot is a nice icing on the cake. I switched over from 2014 macbook pro and love the weight, keyboard and overall black finish with matte screen. I dual boot F30 and Windows 10. I don't boot up windows unless I have to do something in MS Office. The app ecosystem is worse than the hardware support for me. I don't have outlook or any of the MS products as native app (I use web version of O365 which works well). I miss a native app for Notion. Other than these, F30 has been amazing. I won't ever go back to Ubuntu on a laptop. Against, OS X, app ecosystem still lags but tolerable.

Re: Fedora 30

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Post by sandGorgon »

IOT_Apprentice wrote: post #55
sandGorgon wrote: post #42

Fedora and the Dell XPS laptop are the current best of breed developer machines. Top notch keyboards, brilliant OS and a futuristic architecture (Silverblue - all containers all the way down). My compan has a couple hundred cheap AMD ryzen laptops with Fedora giving macbook pros a run for their money! I spend about 500$ on them (which includes a SSD). Its the world class desktop OS for the developing world!

So what manufacturer/model is this cheap Ryzen laptop that costs $500 with an SSD? and how much RAM? That does not sound like a Dell XPS.

acer aspire 3 . It has a ACPI bug - https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=200087 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/amd/+bug/1776563

but with the latest 5.0.7 kernels (F30 onwards).. they work great. maybe I lose a bit of battery life, but who cares.

Re: Fedora 30

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Post by sandGorgon »

igneo676 wrote: post #87
yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mac OS supports exactly one line of hardware. So let's pick exactly one line of Hardware to run Linux so it's a fair comparison. I nominate either thinkpads or Dell XPS. Now then, in a fair comparison... > consistent touchpad gestures, GNOME has this. > rock-solid stability, Yep. > instant wake from suspend without draining battery consistently, Has that even been a problem this decade? > great GPU drivers I defy you…

Ugh, I just wish there was a slick laptop like the Dell XPS line that both supported Linux AND had a Radeon (or just not-nvidia) graphics card. I've been looking for a viable contender and it appears that it just doesn't exist

is this for gaming ? the Dell XPS 13 is pretty decent when it comes to gaming. I have a 4 year old XPS and it plays a lot of games at lower XPS - im assuming the newer ones are even better.

The Ryzens are obviously in another league altogether here, but unless we get a Ryzen XPS, the Intel XPS are not bad.

Re: Fedora 30

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Post by pizza234 »

dullgiulio wrote: post #13
pizza234 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> -Default bluetooth config doesn't work for some devices Bluetooth (Bluez) is a trainwreck on any distro; even the version shipped with Ubuntu 18.04 (LTS!) is broken.

Not my experience. Or, if anything, bluetooth on Ubuntu works much better than on my Windows laptop (Lenovo).

Certainly YMMV applies, however, it's important to distinguish the nature of the two cases.

Broken BT support in a Windows context generally means poor drivers for a given device - at least the Windows 10, which is almost 4 years old, has a stable BT stack. Therefore, BT problems are of particular (per-device) nature.

In Ubuntu, the problem is systemic, due to (even ignoring how terrible the BT protocol is) both Bluez's (alleged) terrible engineering practices, and Ubuntu's utter carelessness of the area. In this terms, BT problems are of universal nature.

For example, the 18.04 Pulseaudio/BT configuration is broken by default - see https://askubuntu.com/a/1050172.

This is not an exception; the Pulseaudio/BT configuration has been broken in a way or another since... forever. Very evidently, the Ubuntu devs prefer to ship a broken-but-up-to-date BT stack, than a working-but-old one.

For a more historical perspective of the Ubuntu/Bluez trainwreck, see http://www.bennybottema.com/2010/08/08/how-ubuntus-broken-bl.... Summary: "Bluez is a bunch of cowboy coders is why".

Re: Fedora 30

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Post by y4mi »

m4rtink wrote: post #84
jazoom wrote: post #78

I first tried out Fedora a few weeks ago. It was a terrible first impression because there were banner ads in the installer. They were relevant to Fedora, but still, they were banner ads sticking out like a sore thumb. I've never seen anything like that when installing a Linux distro before and it was a major turn off. Yes, I got it from the official website. Yes, I checked the hash. The impression probably would hav…

The banner ads will likely not be in the new release, but for a different reason. The top-level screen where they are shown no longer hosts any configuration screens during default (Fedora Workstation) live installation and only two screens on network installation, which will also be soon moved to the previous "summary" top-level screen. Due to this the "adds" might look out of place as the rest of the screen is empt…

Uh, I only remember some highlights for some of the bundled software... Something like "if you need a office suite, libre office is available in the store" ...

Are you seriously complaining about that? Or is it something else I just didn't see yet?

Because if it's the former, I sure hope you're not using MacOS, Ubuntu, centos, opensuse or windows either to name a few. They do the same thing after all.

Re: Fedora 30

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Post by chousuke »

_zachs wrote: post #49

Thoughts on Fedora vs Arch? I've been using Arch on my Thinkpad for a while now, no major complaints, but forgetting to mount my boot before a `sudo pacman -Syu` (full system upgrade) always gets me. P.S. I know that this is a non-issue...a simple alias would prevent future woes.

I switched my desktop to Arch recently. It's decent, but I'd really only recommend it for people who want a minimal system that works just the way they want it to work, and won't mind spending time on it.

There are a lot of components that have to work together for a Linux desktop to provide the features most people take for granted nowadays. If you don't want to bother with tinkering, Fedora provides one such configuration that generally works out of the box. Arch provides you with pacman and a really good wiki.

Re: Fedora 30

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Post by sandGorgon »

_ph_ wrote: post #63
sandGorgon wrote: post #42

Fedora and the Dell XPS laptop are the current best of breed developer machines. Top notch keyboards, brilliant OS and a futuristic architecture (Silverblue - all containers all the way down). My compan has a couple hundred cheap AMD ryzen laptops with Fedora giving macbook pros a run for their money! I spend about 500$ on them (which includes a SSD). Its the world class desktop OS for the developing world!

I also would be intested in finding out which laptop that would be - I am looking for a nice Fedora machine.

I'm assuming you're talking about the cheap laptop - its an Acer Aspire 3 with Ryzen 5 (equivalent of intel i5 + GPU) . It has conveniently removable slots at the bottom for HDD and RAM. I upgraded the RAM to 12GB by putting an additional 8gb and swapped the HDD to a Crucial MX500. It comes to roughly 500$ here in India.

There are two ACPI bugs (because of Acer bios issue), but the latest kernel (viz Fedora 30) has it working fine.

Re: Fedora 30

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Post by keypusher »

igneo676 wrote: post #87
yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mac OS supports exactly one line of hardware. So let's pick exactly one line of Hardware to run Linux so it's a fair comparison. I nominate either thinkpads or Dell XPS. Now then, in a fair comparison... > consistent touchpad gestures, GNOME has this. > rock-solid stability, Yep. > instant wake from suspend without draining battery consistently, Has that even been a problem this decade? > great GPU drivers I defy you…

Ugh, I just wish there was a slick laptop like the Dell XPS line that both supported Linux AND had a Radeon (or just not-nvidia) graphics card. I've been looking for a viable contender and it appears that it just doesn't exist

Purism makes very nice Linux laptops with Intel graphics chips.
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