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Re: Fedora 30

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Post by simion314 »

tapoxi wrote: post #25
padraic7a wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to trn this thread into an argument about formats but snap isn't a proprietary format at all. It's a squashfs file with some metadata. ]and congratulations to Fedora!]

My problem with it is that there's no concept of a Snap repository, like Flatpak. Snap is intrinsically tied to Canonical's Snap store.

The fact that the Canonical store is hard-coded n the source code of the package manager does not make it proprietary, I suggest you use the actual facts and not FUD, proprietary has a clear meaning so let's not make it vague,

Re: Fedora 30

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Post by vetinari »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #56
harrygeez wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd love to share your enthusiasm but until we get macOS-level consistent touchpad gestures, rock-solid stability, instant wake from suspend without draining battery consistently, great GPU drivers, ...(I can go on), it is difficult to proclaim that. I love developing on Linux too, and I really want it to be the best, but it's just not there yet.

Mac OS supports exactly one line of hardware. So let's pick exactly one line of Hardware to run Linux so it's a fair comparison. I nominate either thinkpads or Dell XPS. Now then, in a fair comparison... > consistent touchpad gestures, GNOME has this. > rock-solid stability, Yep. > instant wake from suspend without draining battery consistently, Has that even been a problem this decade? > great GPU drivers I defy you…

>> instant wake from suspend without draining battery consistently,

> Has that even been a problem this decade?

Actually, it was, when PC vendors decided they don't need ACPI S3 state, and Connected standby is enough. Connected standby requires support from OS, and when it was introduced, only Windows 10 supported it.

But not that Macs don't have their sleep issues either. It is a lottery, whether a Mac connected to a TB dock will wake up or not (it will after disconnecting the dock).

Re: Fedora 30

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Post by vetinari »

smallstepforman wrote: post #66
yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mac OS supports exactly one line of hardware. So let's pick exactly one line of Hardware to run Linux so it's a fair comparison. I nominate either thinkpads or Dell XPS. Now then, in a fair comparison... > consistent touchpad gestures, GNOME has this. > rock-solid stability, Yep. > instant wake from suspend without draining battery consistently, Has that even been a problem this decade? > great GPU drivers I defy you…

NVidia Linux is a battery destroying monstrosity. My laptop fans go crazy with nVidia driver, making the laptop unusable. Using no driver gives a pleasant audiable experience (no HW acceleration). Heck, even Haiku with raw framebuffer driver runs more pleasantly than Linux with nVidia driver.

Officially, Nvidia doesn't support laptop GPUs under Linux. Given the Nvidia attitude towards Linux or third-party drivers, it is no wonder that the current state is as it is.

Why someone would purchase such product is up to their decision. They surely should know, that they are getting into unsupported territory, where nobody did any integration. But it is their money they are throwing at Nvidia.

Re: Fedora 30

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Post by vetinari »

simion314 wrote: post #71
tapoxi wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My problem with it is that there's no concept of a Snap repository, like Flatpak. Snap is intrinsically tied to Canonical's Snap store.

The fact that the Canonical store is hard-coded n the source code of the package manager does not make it proprietary, I suggest you use the actual facts and not FUD, proprietary has a clear meaning so let's not make it vague,

The central store controlled by Canonical is pretty central tenet of snap design. If you start removing it, you can pretty much switch to entirely different packaging/delivery/sandboxing system.

Re: Fedora 30

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Post by simion314 »

vetinari wrote: post #75
simion314 wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fact that the Canonical store is hard-coded n the source code of the package manager does not make it proprietary, I suggest you use the actual facts and not FUD, proprietary has a clear meaning so let's not make it vague,

The central store controlled by Canonical is pretty central tenet of snap design. If you start removing it, you can pretty much switch to entirely different packaging/delivery/sandboxing system.

First of all I did not contradicted this, I just want to use the correct terms. So please use proprietary,free software, open source, open format, open standard as it is correct and not as you like to promote your preferences.

Just think about it, your full argument is FUD because you try to imply that some open source code is proprietary when in fact it is not.

On the other topic, did Debian or other big distro submited a patch to include support for configuring third party stores, did they submit test code for the changes and it was rejected? If yes please link that instead of the FUD.

Re: Fedora 30

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Post by vetinari »

lprd wrote: post #64

I'm on a Macbook Pro and would love to try this out. Aside from installing on bare metal, would VirtualBox be the second best option?

Second best would be probably running from USB drive. Virtualbox doesn't support Wayland, and overall is quite slow.

Re: Fedora 30

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Post by jazoom »

I first tried out Fedora a few weeks ago. It was a terrible first impression because there were banner ads in the installer. They were relevant to Fedora, but still, they were banner ads sticking out like a sore thumb. I've never seen anything like that when installing a Linux distro before and it was a major turn off.

Yes, I got it from the official website. Yes, I checked the hash.

The impression probably would have been a lot different if the messages were delivered in a format that didn't look exactly like banner ads on the WWW.

Re: Fedora 30

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Post by omnifischer »

harrygeez wrote: post #51
sandGorgon wrote: post #42

Fedora and the Dell XPS laptop are the current best of breed developer machines. Top notch keyboards, brilliant OS and a futuristic architecture (Silverblue - all containers all the way down). My compan has a couple hundred cheap AMD ryzen laptops with Fedora giving macbook pros a run for their money! I spend about 500$ on them (which includes a SSD). Its the world class desktop OS for the developing world!

I'd love to share your enthusiasm but until we get macOS-level consistent touchpad gestures, rock-solid stability, instant wake from suspend without draining battery consistently, great GPU drivers, ...(I can go on), it is difficult to proclaim that. I love developing on Linux too, and I really want it to be the best, but it's just not there yet.

Why still this obsession with battery life? Every where I go trains, bus, hotel even cafes, airlines offer free power. Look at health! Ideally for helping keep my eye sight I need proper matte screen. Staying with dell/thinkpad lines are the only option

Re: Fedora 30

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Post by vetinari »

lucas_membrane wrote: post #69
webaholic wrote: post #3

This is good distro for developers by developers. I wouldn't suggest it for everyday users though. There are too many beta quality bugs since it uses really bleeding edge releases.

I agree, but if you want to develop .Net or Swift, the available rpm's seem to originate downstream and lag the releases for ubuntu significantly. The releases of .Net core, the Swift toolchain, and Kitura, the IBM open source Swift web framework (even though IBM owns Red Hat), all come out targeting ubuntu. Because the different linux distros have significantly older or newer versions of some .so and .h files, relea…

Swift is a PITA on Linux in general; the Ubuntu-only releases is only a symptom.

It is a pain to build it at all, from the sources. With the exception of the apple/swift repo, all the other apple/swift-* repos do not even seem to have tagged releases. At least not in the sense that other projects do releases.

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