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Re: Fedora 30

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Post by vetinari »

simion314 wrote: post #76
vetinari wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The central store controlled by Canonical is pretty central tenet of snap design. If you start removing it, you can pretty much switch to entirely different packaging/delivery/sandboxing system.

First of all I did not contradicted this, I just want to use the correct terms. So please use proprietary,free software, open source, open format, open standard as it is correct and not as you like to promote your preferences. Just think about it, your full argument is FUD because you try to imply that some open source code is proprietary when in fact it is not. On the other topic, did Debian or other big distro subm…

I wasn't the OP, so accusing me of FUD is somewhat misguided.

On the other hand, the design of snap, despite the code being open source, does not mean that the system (system as a collection of code, network services, network effects, network control, bizdev relations, etc) as a whole is non-proprietary. For similar story, see also: Android.

Re: Fedora 30

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Post by bubblethink »

lprd wrote: post #64

I'm on a Macbook Pro and would love to try this out. Aside from installing on bare metal, would VirtualBox be the second best option?

Virtualbox is your only option. You will not get (good) bare metal options at all with apple hardware made in the last few years.

Re: Fedora 30

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Post by soulofmischief »

0815test wrote: post #46
soulofmischief wrote: post #21

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Fedora is too cutting edge and CentOS is too outdated? Ok then, go off to Canonical land where everything falls apart outside the most common use cases and your entire desktop experience changes every couple of years. Fedora isn't cutting edge compared to actual rolling release distros so if that's still too much for you then RHEL or CentOS should be enough.

Debian works just fine, IME - better than Ubuntu LTS provided that the hardware support is OK. Even OpenSuse is a nice middle ground.

Debian was nothing but trouble for me. I found myself in opposition to too many of their design choices and some packages to be too outdated. At the end of the day it lacks the polish and moddability I've come to expect from Fedora.

Re: Fedora 30

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Post by m4rtink »

jazoom wrote: post #78

I first tried out Fedora a few weeks ago. It was a terrible first impression because there were banner ads in the installer. They were relevant to Fedora, but still, they were banner ads sticking out like a sore thumb. I've never seen anything like that when installing a Linux distro before and it was a major turn off. Yes, I got it from the official website. Yes, I checked the hash. The impression probably would hav…

The banner ads will likely not be in the new release, but for a different reason. The top-level screen where they are shown no longer hosts any configuration screens during default (Fedora Workstation) live installation and only two screens on network installation, which will also be soon moved to the previous "summary" top-level screen.

Due to this the "adds" might look out of place as the rest of the screen is empty. At the moment it is unclear if they will be replaced by some new bigger artwork or just by a bigger and more fancy installation progress reporting.

Re: Fedora 30

#85

Post by alfalfasprout »

vetinari wrote: post #74
smallstepforman wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

NVidia Linux is a battery destroying monstrosity. My laptop fans go crazy with nVidia driver, making the laptop unusable. Using no driver gives a pleasant audiable experience (no HW acceleration). Heck, even Haiku with raw framebuffer driver runs more pleasantly than Linux with nVidia driver.

Officially, Nvidia doesn't support laptop GPUs under Linux. Given the Nvidia attitude towards Linux or third-party drivers, it is no wonder that the current state is as it is. Why someone would purchase such product is up to their decision. They surely should know, that they are getting into unsupported territory, where nobody did any integration. But it is their money they are throwing at Nvidia.

Well, it's getting better thankfully. Given that most CUDA workloads run in Linux now, we've started seeing a much nicer cadence of releases. Though I agree on the desktop/laptop side there is definitely not feature parity.

Re: Fedora 30

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Post by dpwm »

0815test wrote: post #62
_zachs wrote: post #49

Thoughts on Fedora vs Arch? I've been using Arch on my Thinkpad for a while now, no major complaints, but forgetting to mount my boot before a `sudo pacman -Syu` (full system upgrade) always gets me. P.S. I know that this is a non-issue...a simple alias would prevent future woes.

Arch is not quite a real-world-usable system IMHO, it breaks way too easily if you're not constantly updating it, which means that at some point you'll have to reinstall from scratch. Debian Testing/Unstable just tends to work better (for a rolling distro) in my view. The Arch vs. Fedora comparison is not very sensible given how different the update models are... if you're ok with Fedora's update schedule it can be a…

> it breaks way too easily if you're not constantly updating it

I sometimes go as long as a few months between updates on my desktop – and that's been running Arch for some years now and hasn't needed a reinstall from scratch.

Re: Fedora 30

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Post by igneo676 »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #56
harrygeez wrote: post #51

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I'd love to share your enthusiasm but until we get macOS-level consistent touchpad gestures, rock-solid stability, instant wake from suspend without draining battery consistently, great GPU drivers, ...(I can go on), it is difficult to proclaim that. I love developing on Linux too, and I really want it to be the best, but it's just not there yet.

Mac OS supports exactly one line of hardware. So let's pick exactly one line of Hardware to run Linux so it's a fair comparison. I nominate either thinkpads or Dell XPS. Now then, in a fair comparison... > consistent touchpad gestures, GNOME has this. > rock-solid stability, Yep. > instant wake from suspend without draining battery consistently, Has that even been a problem this decade? > great GPU drivers I defy you…

Ugh, I just wish there was a slick laptop like the Dell XPS line that both supported Linux AND had a Radeon (or just not-nvidia) graphics card.

I've been looking for a viable contender and it appears that it just doesn't exist

Re: Fedora 30

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Post by jammygit »

sandGorgon wrote: post #42

Fedora and the Dell XPS laptop are the current best of breed developer machines. Top notch keyboards, brilliant OS and a futuristic architecture (Silverblue - all containers all the way down). My compan has a couple hundred cheap AMD ryzen laptops with Fedora giving macbook pros a run for their money! I spend about 500$ on them (which includes a SSD). Its the world class desktop OS for the developing world!

In my own opinion, the keyboard on my XPS is unsatisfying and the trackpad is average. I'm considering trying a different model sometime soon because of it. Also, the 4k screen is too many pixels for the cpu to keep up with and if I downscale the display resolution, the ui is noticeably smoother. Maybe newer models are better?

It works great with linux though, very happy with that part.

Re: Fedora 30

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Post by simion314 »

vetinari wrote: post #81
simion314 wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First of all I did not contradicted this, I just want to use the correct terms. So please use proprietary,free software, open source, open format, open standard as it is correct and not as you like to promote your preferences. Just think about it, your full argument is FUD because you try to imply that some open source code is proprietary when in fact it is not. On the other topic, did Debian or other big distro subm…

I wasn't the OP, so accusing me of FUD is somewhat misguided. On the other hand, the design of snap, despite the code being open source, does not mean that the system (system as a collection of code, network services, network effects, network control, bizdev relations, etc) as a whole is non-proprietary. For similar story, see also: Android.

This is still false. Android is open source, see the forks. What is not open source is the services on top. The development process is not open for Android but you did not provided any fact to show contribution was not accepted by Canonical.

You are complaining that an open source tool is not using your preferred thing, you want snap to point to a Debian store, get the source, replace the Canonical store url with a Debian store, then create the store backend and implement the APIs.

Do you have any complaint about the Canonical store? Did they censored your favorite thing or your issue is that you can't just from principles.

Edit About my FUD accusation, maybe you should not get involved in a comment where I correct the OP about him spreading FUD in a vague attempt to protect him. The comment thread was not about what format is better is all about what proprietary means and not have fanboys use the terms wrong.

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