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Re: Burger King is rolling out meatless Impossible Whoppers nationwide

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Post by caprese »

goda90 wrote: post #41

Here an interesting quote[0] from the founder of Impossible Burger that kind of touches on the meatless vs vegetarian/vegan discussion happening a lot in this thread: "[Before becoming a vegan] I loved putting milk in my coffee and cereal, but plant-based milks don’t work for me so far. No-one is trying very hard to deliver the full experience of what consumers value from milk. We don’t want to follow the course of s…

> not a niche of people avoiding meat or being health conscious

very well articulated. I've been fortunate enough to be around vegan people that aren't so judgemental, but they seemed to still neglect the existence of people that would like to replicate the experience of meat and interpret that as apathy.

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Post by adrianmonk »

scruple wrote: post #237
adrianmonk wrote: post #227

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> but they are being cooked in animal grease They are flame broiled, not grilled. They aren't cooked in any type of grease.

If I'm working the burger station and I'm cooking an impossible burger at the same station as regular burger patties there will be transfers between one and the other, no? I didn't mean they were _literally_ cooking them in animal grease but rather figuratively.

OK, I can understand that's not the point you were making. I thought you were saying that because at many fast food places they are literally cooking them in animal grease.

Many fast food places (McDonald's, Wendy's) use a flat surface similar to this:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cc/Flickr_X...

Typical ground beef is 20% fat (80% lean), and if you cook it on that, the fat will melt, it will hang around on that surface, and whatever else you cook next will be cooked in animal grease left over from the beef patty.

If you flame broil, the burger sits on a wire mesh, and the grease drips away.

I'm not just picking nits. I'm really trying to make a sincere point that I think one method will have significantly less transfer (not zero) than the other.

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Post by gsdatta »

shade wrote: post #270
gdubs wrote: post #233

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As a side point, milk (in espresso drinks) was one of the last animal food products I’ve been holding on to. My five year old, who’s mostly vegan because she’s allergic to milk, said, “daddy, why do you keep putting cow milk in your coffee, you should stop.” I had read somewhere that it takes around two or three weeks to get used to the taste of something. I’m a coffee snob, and I really didn’t like the taste of almo…

I am decidedly not a coffee snob, but agree that almond milk in coffee isn't great. I've tended to use coconut milk because it has some creaminess to it that seems to work well in coffee. I'll have to see if I can find oat milk to try.

Most shops in SF have oat milk, if you're located in that area. Oat milk has been a game changer for me. All Blue Bottle locations carry Oatly oat milk.

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Post by gsdatta »

hart_russell wrote: post #205
chrisco255 wrote: post #74

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As someone raised around cattle ranches, I really don't understand the animal living conditions argument.

I've driven by a few factory farms in California. You know you're close to one when you're hit with the smell of manure many miles out. When you actually drive by the farms, the reality is quite depressing: the cattle are standing in their own shit with barely any space to move. I'm done with red meat myself.

Glad to hear you've given up red meat. Not to preach too much here, but why just red meat?

Poultry, for example, is no better. Male chicks are dumped onto conveyor belts and ground alive as they provide no value to the farmers (for meat or eggs).

Dairy farms are also equal to or worse than the factory farms you mentioned.

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Post by eloff »

Majestic121 wrote: post #72
eloff wrote: post #56

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If you feel the need for a fact check, do it yourself (and then share it here). It's not the OPs job to lookup facts for you.

That's not how the burden of proof works. It becomes the OP's job to provide fact when they state things and then are asked to back them up. OP can then choose not to do so, but the one asking for source is not to be blamed here.

I understand burden of proof, but this is an internet forum. It's nobody's job to present research to backup their claims. It's lazy in this context to post asking someone for proof of their claims. Look it up yourself if you care so much. Or stay quiet.

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Post by Henk0 »

opportune wrote: post #246
nradov wrote: post #232

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There is no significant link between dietary cholesterol and blood cholesterol levels. https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/dietary-cholesterol-doe...

That was conventional knowledge for those "in the know" for the last couple years but I recently read a pretty big study which disputes this too: https://news.northwestern.edu/stories/2019/03/eggs-cholester... Which sucks because I really enjoyed eating tons of eggs for the few years where people thought they were actually not bad for you

”Diet data were collected using food frequency questionnaires or by taking a diet history. Each participant was asked a long list of what they’d eaten for the previous year or month. The data were collected during a single visit.The study had up to 31 years of follow up (median: 17.5 years), during which 5,400 cardiovascular events and 6,132 all-cause deaths were diagnosed. A major limitation of the study is participants’ long-term eating patterns weren’t assessed.”

You can probably start eating your eggs again. Food questionnaires are pretty much useless, and more so the longer the time period you’re supposed to try to remember your food intake for. People usually can’t remember what they’ve eaten for the last week, much less the last month or year. These dietary epidemiology studies get way too much attention and can’t prove anything. Here we’re supposed to act on a single questionnaire being administered, asking about an already-at-the-time maligned food product, and a followup decades later, with no interim data, and no data on other factors known to influence heart disease (exercise, stress, etc.)

For a good critical look at the heart disease question, I recommend Dr. Malcolm Kendrick’s series of posts on the topic

https://drmalcolmkendrick.org

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Post by bifrost »

glitch003 wrote: post #291
bifrost wrote: post #287

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They could easily make their fries Vegan in the US, yet they haven't. I doubt they'll really bring it here.

They are Vegan. From mcd's website: "Our World Famous Fries™ and hash browns are go-tos for our vegetarian and vegan guests. Since 2007, we’ve made them without any animal-sourced ingredients. We cook them in 100% vegetable oil, in a dedicated fryer separate from our meat items."

Yet they're not.

FRENCH FRIES Ingredients: Potatoes, Vegetable Oil (Canola Oil, Corn Oil, Soybean Oil, Hydrogenated Soybean Oil, Natural Beef Flavor [Wheat and Milk Derivatives]), Dextrose, Sodium Acid Pyrophosphate (Maintain Color), Salt. Natural beef flavor contains hydrolyzed wheat and hydrolyzed milk as starting ingredients. Contains: WHEAT, MILK.

Source: URL -> https://www.mcdonalds.com/us/en-us/product/small-french-frie...

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Post by mercer »

ma2rten wrote: post #114
chrisco255 wrote: post #74

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As someone raised around cattle ranches, I really don't understand the animal living conditions argument.

There is a documentary called Dominion which might be interesting to you: https://www.dominionmovement.com/watch Warning: it's quite shocking / bloody.

I've wanted to meaningfully change my diet and watching this made me realize it's time. Thanks for the reminder.

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Post by justin66 »

friedman23 wrote: post #309
justin66 wrote: post #268

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> Vegetarians are not common outside of certain metropolitan areas in the US There are roughly half a billion vegetarians in India.

Im pretty clearly talking about the United States. I cant believe people reacted so emotionally to my comment when i wasnt even passing a value judgment and just stating a fact. Only 5 percent of Americans identify as vegetarian and of that 5% most are liberal. If you can give me a good argument for why those liberal people should be evenly distributed around the US I am all ears. This entire thread is about a questi…

> I cant believe people reacted so emotionally to my comment

I do not believe it is linguistically possible for me to have been more dispassionate than when I wrote There are roughly half a billion vegetarians in India.

Comments like moate's, "Data or it didn't happen," do not strike me as overly emotional either. You might want to just lighten up.

> Only 5 percent of Americans identify as vegetarian and of that 5% most are liberal. If you can give me a good argument for why those liberal people should be evenly distributed around the US I am all ears.

Interesting thought. I have no data as to whether this is true but if fast food is more of a city thing (I believe it), what you're saying would seem to make rolling out something like a good veggie burger a lot more attractive in terms of marketing demographics than the simple "5%" figure alone would indicate, which speaks to the question you were originally responding to.

> This entire thread is about a question that refers to the US so to be able to misinterpret my response so significantly is strange.

The comment you were responding to literally begins "I lived in England..." I don't think a little misunderstanding is a big deal. Fair enough, you were talking about the United States.

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