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Burger King is rolling out meatless Impossible Whoppers nationwide

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Re: Burger King is rolling out meatless Impossible Whoppers nationwide

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Post by vermarish »

criddell wrote: post #183
everdev wrote: post #40

I wonder what the cost basis is of an Impossible Burger vs. a beef patty. The meat industry has built up some economies of scale but it's hard to believe that raising and slaughtering cows is the most cost effective way to feed people protein.

The meat industry are placing some pretty big bets on meat substitutes. Tyson owns 5% of Beyond Meat.

Tyson sold its stake in Beyond Meat last week and supposedly plans to make its own moves into this marketspace.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-04-24/tyson-foo...

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Post by nradov »

wccrawford wrote: post #69

As far as I can tell, I'm the target demographic for this. I eat beef (and other meat) burgers because I like how they taste. If this comes close, I'll gladly switch, even though they cost a little more. I'm far from vegetarian, but I've been thinking more and more that I'd like to slim down on my actual meat eating for a few reasons, including the environment, the animal living conditions, and the cholesterol. The o…

There is no significant link between dietary cholesterol and blood cholesterol levels.

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/dietary-cholesterol-doe...

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Post by gdubs »

goda90 wrote: post #41

Here an interesting quote[0] from the founder of Impossible Burger that kind of touches on the meatless vs vegetarian/vegan discussion happening a lot in this thread: "[Before becoming a vegan] I loved putting milk in my coffee and cereal, but plant-based milks don’t work for me so far. No-one is trying very hard to deliver the full experience of what consumers value from milk. We don’t want to follow the course of s…

As a side point, milk (in espresso drinks) was one of the last animal food products I’ve been holding on to. My five year old, who’s mostly vegan because she’s allergic to milk, said, “daddy, why do you keep putting cow milk in your coffee, you should stop.”

I had read somewhere that it takes around two or three weeks to get used to the taste of something. I’m a coffee snob, and I really didn’t like the taste of almond milk in coffee. Well, sure enough, after a few weeks I really don’t mind it and I can see being completely used to it soon.

I do still prefer oat milk, which has recently become a lot more available. Much milder taste, and it foams better for lattes.

Re: Burger King is rolling out meatless Impossible Whoppers nationwide

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Post by greglindahl »

hkyeti wrote: post #212
cannonedhamster wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you're correct here. I had an impossible burger, but I can say pretty clearly every person who is a meat eater regularly has found it more pleasing than long time vegetarians. I personally enjoy the Beyond Meat Patty more. Anecdotal evidence is only just that, but it's been a trend I've seen. Personally I hope this becomes a big success and people really enjoy it, even if it's not my thing.

The majority of vegans enjoy the meat taste and the new crop of substitutes, just not the ethical/environmental costs. Source- polled my vegan group.

I know a lot of vegetarians and vegans who don't want anything to do with something that's like meat, so perhaps your anecdote and my anecdote add up to advice to not claim either of us knows what a majority of vegans want?

As an example of this issue in action, if you're taking your company out for food, it's a huge mistake to go to a place that only offers meat-like stuff for vegetarians and vegans.

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Post by sand500 »

hhs wrote: post #32

I lived in England for a bit and remember fast food places commonly having veggie burgers. This was both in Burger King and McDonald's. It was super convenient for that occasional quick bite. In the US, Burger King has been supplying veggie patties for some time, but I wonder why it took American fast food places so long to expand. For instance, why is there still an absence of veggie burgers in a typical US McDonald…

>Burger King has been supplying veggie patties for some time, but I wonder why it took American fast food places so long to expand.

The Morningstar patties that BK has are pretty bad and taste very artificial and I'm not surprised meat eaters don't like them.

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Post by qlm »

gdubs wrote: post #233
goda90 wrote: post #41

Here an interesting quote[0] from the founder of Impossible Burger that kind of touches on the meatless vs vegetarian/vegan discussion happening a lot in this thread: "[Before becoming a vegan] I loved putting milk in my coffee and cereal, but plant-based milks don’t work for me so far. No-one is trying very hard to deliver the full experience of what consumers value from milk. We don’t want to follow the course of s…

As a side point, milk (in espresso drinks) was one of the last animal food products I’ve been holding on to. My five year old, who’s mostly vegan because she’s allergic to milk, said, “daddy, why do you keep putting cow milk in your coffee, you should stop.” I had read somewhere that it takes around two or three weeks to get used to the taste of something. I’m a coffee snob, and I really didn’t like the taste of almo…

Almond milk in coffee makes it taste like disgusting hot bitter marzipan imo.

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Post by scruple »

adrianmonk wrote: post #227
scruple wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not a vegetarian or a vegan, personally. I'm a hunter, a fisherman, and I buy beef by the half cow from a small ranch. All of that said, if Burger King is selling some food products and marketing them as vegetarian or vegan, but they are being cooked in animal grease, and surely that is what this means, well, then they're either stupid, they're liars, or they're hopelessly incompetent. And you see this sort of to…

> but they are being cooked in animal grease They are flame broiled, not grilled. They aren't cooked in any type of grease.

If I'm working the burger station and I'm cooking an impossible burger at the same station as regular burger patties there will be transfers between one and the other, no? I didn't mean they were _literally_ cooking them in animal grease but rather figuratively.

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Post by sand500 »

astura wrote: post #196
subpixel wrote: post #65

I feel like Taco Bell could have done this years ago with any old seitan product, and I await their announcement eagerly.

I wonder if there's a big market at Taco Bell, the reason I say that is because Taco Bell has beans, which is a just fine protein for me at least. I personally don't feel like I need anything else if I've got beans. Though, honestly, Chipotle and Moe's both have a tofu option though.

Yeah tacobell has always been super vegetarian friendly because you could just substitute beans for meat in anything

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Post by [deleted] »

marricks wrote: post #213
nightski wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What I find ironic is that the industry is so focused on thinking that people only eat meat because of the taste. Not because of all the valuable micro-nutrients, varied animal proteins, and fat.

Or the detrimental health effects of animal based burgers either... https://www.health.harvard.edu/newsletter_article/Heart_beat...

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Re: Burger King is rolling out meatless Impossible Whoppers nationwide

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Post by Rooster61 »

jimmaswell wrote: post #206
scruple wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not a vegetarian or a vegan, personally. I'm a hunter, a fisherman, and I buy beef by the half cow from a small ranch. All of that said, if Burger King is selling some food products and marketing them as vegetarian or vegan, but they are being cooked in animal grease, and surely that is what this means, well, then they're either stupid, they're liars, or they're hopelessly incompetent. And you see this sort of to…

In the sense that they're not giving these customers what they want, they're being incompetent, but I think it's totally unreasonable in the first place to demand such total separation. Like caring if the same coffee machine was used for non-free-trade coffee grounds before you used it for your own grounds, or that a non-cage-free egg was made on the same grill earlier in the day when you ordered cage-free.

> but I think it's totally unreasonable in the first place to demand such total separation

I can't say I agree with this sentiment. This sort of thing happens in other food service outlets and it's never bothered me. The one that comes to mind is grocery stores having separate slicers for meat and dairy to accommodate those who keep kosher. I'm not Jewish, and neither am I a vegetarian, but I wouldn't call those who do keep such lifestyle choices unreasonable.

Also, the word demand here commands more than one meaning. If there is demand for such a separation, and money to be made from accommodating that demand, those practices will find their way into the market.

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