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Re: Burger King is rolling out meatless Impossible Whoppers nationwide

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Post by glitch003 »

bifrost wrote: post #287
64738 wrote: post #55

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McDonald's has been testing one they call the McVegan, but it's only available in a few countries outside the US. With Burger King's version being available, I'm guessing that will speed up the availability of the McVegan in the US.

They could easily make their fries Vegan in the US, yet they haven't. I doubt they'll really bring it here.

They are Vegan. From mcd's website:

"Our World Famous Fries™ and hash browns are go-tos for our vegetarian and vegan guests. Since 2007, we’ve made them without any animal-sourced ingredients. We cook them in 100% vegetable oil, in a dedicated fryer separate from our meat items."

Re: Burger King is rolling out meatless Impossible Whoppers nationwide

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Post by Forbo »

simion314 wrote: post #280
Forbo wrote: post #276

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Typically they're looking for a bull to do that job. Just because a woman is ovulating doesn't mean that she wants some other species to restrain her, anally violate her, and forcibly impregnate her. This argument only works if you believe that animals are worthy of empathy, but many would rather live with the cognitive dissonance that animals are incapable of emotions than go through the hassle of changing their die…

This are cows not humans, my experience is with real world cows that are raised outside on fields,when the cow is in heat she will start ridding other cows(yes cows become lesbians and "rape" other cows, I know your mind is blown now), a bull will smell her from a distance and will come to the cow, the cow is always wiling because is her nature, she is not a thinking human it is all instinct. At my grandparents farm…

Again, just because they are cows does not mean they do not have emotions. These animals are more than capable of feeling happiness, sadness, fear, pain, etc.

Modern industrial scale agriculture is what we are talking about here, not one-off mom and pop farms that represent a drop in the bucket of dairy production.

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Post by protomyth »

chrisco255 wrote: post #221
hart_russell wrote: post #205

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I've driven by a few factory farms in California. You know you're close to one when you're hit with the smell of manure many miles out. When you actually drive by the farms, the reality is quite depressing: the cattle are standing in their own shit with barely any space to move. I'm done with red meat myself.

So the cattle are living in the same condition as many San Franciscans? I live in TX and grew up in FL and the cattle have plenty of room to roam here.

South Dakota cattle are roaming the fields, in fact, about 100,000 died in the early winter storm in 2013. They were still in the summer pastures and had not grown their winter coat. It started as a rain and then turned into a blizzard. The winter pastures are better protected.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/100000-cattle-feared-dead-after...

Re: Burger King is rolling out meatless Impossible Whoppers nationwide

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Post by protomyth »

mcculley wrote: post #267
deadmetheny wrote: post #174

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As one who also grew up and currently lives in the rural Midwest - it's people not knowing what they're talking about. They hear about the awful conditions poultry are raised in and extrapolate it to all livestock.

I welcome all companies that sell meat to publish videos of their operations. I would really like to buy meat only from companies that minimize the suffering of the livestock. Do you have any preferred livestock vendors that document their supply chain?

I cannot imagine its economical for anyone in South Dakota to have these "factory farms".

Re: Burger King is rolling out meatless Impossible Whoppers nationwide

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Post by stale2002 »

N_trglctc_joe wrote: post #257
stale2002 wrote: post #181

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> feel as though "initial skepticism" is ALWAYS the correct response Here is the problem with that. I don't think you understand how toxic an eternal skeptic is to a conversation. An eternal skeptic is someone who never makes any positive claims or reasons as for why they disagree with something that someone else said. All they do is repeat, over and over again "ummm, why don't you prove it!". Yeah, no. If you disagr…

There's a difference between a "conversation" and an "internet exchange". In person, I agree completely. Skepticism towards your friends/ family/ acquaintances can easily poison the discourse and ruin relationships. If I have a discussion with a person I know, then I should absolutely give them the benefit of the doubt, and take what they say at face value unless they say something I find literally incredulous. When…

> When you're having a discussion online though, it's a completely different story.

> People say stupid stuff on the internet, and "stupid" is a spectrum

Ok, but if you ask for evidence, because you are skeptical and refuse to give any reason as for why you are skeptical, and I provide the evidence, then I get to call you stupid.

I get to say "Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, look how wrong you were, and how right I was, because you didn't believe something, that I knew what obviously true".

I am not saying that you can't be skeptical. Instead, I am saying that if you disbelieve a claim, then you need to say specifically why you are disbelieving.

Take a stance. Say why you think the other person is wrong. Don't be a coward and just say "I disbelieve you, but refuse to say why".

And if you do that, then I am going to give you that evidence that you asked for, and call you stupid for not giving your reason why you were skeptical in the first place.

I am asking nothing more of the skeptic than they are asking of me. Yes, I'll give you evidence, and treat you nicely. If you also gave a justification for your disbelief in the first place.

Re: Burger King is rolling out meatless Impossible Whoppers nationwide

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Post by scraft »

sgillen wrote: post #100
goda90 wrote: post #41

Here an interesting quote[0] from the founder of Impossible Burger that kind of touches on the meatless vs vegetarian/vegan discussion happening a lot in this thread: "[Before becoming a vegan] I loved putting milk in my coffee and cereal, but plant-based milks don’t work for me so far. No-one is trying very hard to deliver the full experience of what consumers value from milk. We don’t want to follow the course of s…

Ironically I find that I (vegetarian, not vegan) tend to enjoy meat replacements that don't try replicate meat. I find the ones that DO try to replicate meats taste are just not very good at it, and it ends up tasting pretty bad. The good stuff is still tasty and savory but it's doing its own thing. edit: Not to say the impossible burger can't be good (I've not been able to try one) Just a comment on existing product…

I see this getting said a lot but I really don't find this, I mean there are loads of standalone fantastic vegetable products which are nothing to do with meat and taste great but No Chick Fillets (in a Jalfrezi) have confused dinner guests who thought they were eating chicken until I told them they were vegan, or No Bull Mince (in a bolognese), Beyond Meat burgers have been well received (although I personally don't find them as nice as burgers which I can still recall from before coming vegetarian).

I guess one thing I find is it is easy to find really good recipes of long running favourite dishes and be able to substite our chicken, or beef mince with a vegan alternative and still get the full rich flavours of the dish, with the right texture, filling power, protein levels, etc of what would have been meat.

FWIW here are some of "my" recipes (ones I have found elsewhere and catalogued together on one place) which have been well received by family and guests: https://www.copymethat.com/recipebox/steven-craft/3775240/ if there is any mention of meat then substitute with the products mentioned above.

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Post by sand500 »

subpixel wrote: post #277
sand500 wrote: post #238

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Yeah tacobell has always been super vegetarian friendly because you could just substitute beans for meat in anything

yes and no - there is a certain satisfaction to the meat filling even when it is not meat. we make fake meat tacos at home pretty often, but never bean tacos. alas existing brands of fake ground beef are actually not all that useful outside of taco territory - gets gummy in bolognese, etc.

I'd say a taco with beans is much better than a burger without any Patty(MCD in USA) but that's personal preference on what constitutes a good meat substitute.

Del Taco has Beyond for their tacos and Chipotle has sofritas so I can see Taco Bell offering something other than beans in the near future

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Post by WillPostForFood »

shin_lao wrote: post #63
rottyguy wrote: post #43

had my first impossible burger this weekend. the patty itself was like 6oz and cost $15 just for the burger (no fries). i'm in NYC and even this is a bit high for the area. it was also sitting on a large bun topped with lettuce/tomorrow. the patty was overwhelmed. I thought it tasted just ok and would give it a C. The whopper patty tastes better IMO.

I tasted the impossible burger a while ago and was underwhelmed by the taste. In NY we had bareburgers that provided us with the impossible before BK. It's better than a typical veggie burger for sure but will definitely not choose it over meat.

In addition to the other people who commented, I'll add that, like beef, impossible burger will vary based on the cook. So things like seasoning and level of doneness have a big impact. I'm a big hamburger fan, and I had a well seasoned, medium rare impossible burger and thought the flavor was great. Texture was different, but not bad. Anyway, I'd also recommend giving it another try.

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Post by [deleted] »

subpixel wrote: post #277
sand500 wrote: post #238

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah tacobell has always been super vegetarian friendly because you could just substitute beans for meat in anything

yes and no - there is a certain satisfaction to the meat filling even when it is not meat. we make fake meat tacos at home pretty often, but never bean tacos. alas existing brands of fake ground beef are actually not all that useful outside of taco territory - gets gummy in bolognese, etc.

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Re: Burger King is rolling out meatless Impossible Whoppers nationwide

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Post by [deleted] »

bifrost wrote: post #284
JohnFen wrote: post #26

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I may be wrong, but I don't think BK is advertising these as vegan or even vegetarian. They appear to be very careful to say "meatless" instead, which is not inaccurate. They're certainly not advertising them as kosher/halal.

I wonder if this will turn into a "food weaselwords" debate with the FTC. Its basically going to take a concerted study and some food-lab time.

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